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All the best to Kate Scottow in court tomorrow

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 05/02/2020 19:28

@BustedWench: we haven’t forgotten. I have a prior commitment tomorrow but fully intend to be there to support you on Friday,

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MsMcWibble · 07/02/2020 11:20

Oh and good luck to Kate.

MsMcWibble · 07/02/2020 11:18

A while ago I wondered about the abuse Caroline Farrow said she was getting on Twitter, so I went through the timeline of a certain individual. I've just been back through the many, many screenshots I took. I think I found 45 mentions of Caroline from that person in a few days.
What I noticed this time was that it wasn't just this individual who was involved, it was also their friends. One in particular. What counts as harassment these days?

suspended · 07/02/2020 11:17

Yes that is what I am worried about - this has massive impact on not just Twitter, but social networking in general.

norijunior · 07/02/2020 11:16

Good luck Kate. I went to the court today to watch/support but they said there were no spare seats.

AutumnCrow · 07/02/2020 10:07

The whole thing is quite extraordinary. I wonder if the Twitter execs are even remotely bothered about the outcome of the case for its users.

QuentinWinters · 07/02/2020 09:39

Well I wouldn't want my history being brought up if it was irrelevant to a case I'm a victim in
It sounds like it is relevant because on of the things Hayden is upset about is a tweet that said they were " a very, very sick individual. I have evidence of that.'"
I'm assuming the defence want to demonstrate this tweet isnt unreasonable (unless misgendering is a crime) and they cant do that unless bad character evidence is allowed.
Honestly though, when you look at some of the horrific stuff female MPs get tweeted and that's not in court

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 07/02/2020 09:29

Wise words Pope

Rooting for you today Kate. If you're reading. Wishing you strength and sending love.

May the judge (or magistrates?) be clear sighted.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 07/02/2020 09:23

You all being feminists and stuff.....

Lol. It doesn’t take long. Grin

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 07/02/2020 09:17

Wishing Kate well today. Flowers

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 07/02/2020 09:17

Well I wouldn't want my history being brought up if it was irrelevant to a case I'm a victim in.

The judge must’ve been satisfied that ‘bad character’ WAS INDEED relevant, they even had a pre hearing to determine that it was.

MichaelMumsnet · 07/02/2020 08:39

Hi all, and thanks for the reports.
We've made some deletions from this thread for speculation, and also troll hunting. Please do try and post within the guidelines or we may have to take this thread down.

boatyardblues · 07/02/2020 08:36

Watching with interest. Hope you get a fair hearing today Kate.

Umyeahnah · 07/02/2020 08:35

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popehilarious · 07/02/2020 08:35

I think criminalizing someone for name calling is ridiculous. I also think creating multiple accounts was a bad idea. The police reaction was far OTT.

My main frustration at the whole thing is that certain characters go trawling Twitter looking for insults they can take to court and here Kate gave one of them exactly what they were after, which could've been easily avoided, but I guess I'm glad it's all getting out in the open.

warning: expect an increase in faux-naif goady posts (here and elsewhere) from the usual suspects looking for more report-fodder.
Don't feed them!

Umyeahnah · 07/02/2020 08:33

Seriously????????????

This is more fucked than I thought.

Hail the Almighty.

LangClegsInSpace · 07/02/2020 08:31

Good luck today Kate, keeping everything crossed Flowers

Melroses · 07/02/2020 08:20

There is a lot to get through in court today. It might make the MoS?

Hope Kate is bearing up Flowers

(Socks? H? - HA HA HA HA HA)

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NotBadConsidering · 07/02/2020 08:19

Could MNHQ ask the police to charge previously banned posters with using a public communications network to cause annoyance, inconvenience and anxiety?

Umyeahnah · 07/02/2020 08:19

Goodbye mumsnetters I've probably got a ban for my last message

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RoyalCorgi · 07/02/2020 08:11

I thought The Mail article painted Kate's case in a very bad light? I hope I've misunderstood.

In court reporting, newspapers can only report what's said in court. So they were only able to print Hayden's testimony. Today they will no doubt report Kate's testimony, and what Hayden says under cross-examination.

What struck me most from the report of Hayden's evidence is the feebleness of the complaints. Hayden was "misgendered" several times, accused of being "racist" and called a "pig in a wig". If that's the worst that Kate wrote about Hayden, it's absolutely astonishing that the CPS chose to prosecute.

Compare and contrast with the vile, misogynist and abusive names women have been called on Twitter, along with threats of violence, rape and torture, when the police haven't acted. It's difficult to see the logic.

happydappy2 · 07/02/2020 08:11

SH is bringing the charge of using a public communications network to cause annoyance, inconvenience and anxiety......we could all claim XY individuals using twitter claiming to be women causes us annoyance and anxiety. That would probably be thrown out of court though.

AbsintheFriends · 07/02/2020 08:00

She has been charged with criminal offences, I presume she's the person you refer to who has lost their job as a result of the charges, and It's bemusing that HQ allow a love fest for this person.

Are you quite new to all this Sayl? I believe the person you're thinking of who lost her job for stating facts is Maya Forstater. Stick around and do some reading across the board while you're here - it's all quite eye opening.