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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It's 2020 folks. 2020!

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aliasundercover · 05/02/2020 09:47

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/04/i-am-not-a-slapper-labour-mp-tracy-brabin-defends-her-commons-attire

The pic in the story is very disappointing. I thought she was going to be wearing a basque or something

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Findumdum1 · 05/02/2020 10:50

I dont really think its to do with her age either. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if I saw her wearing that in a bar or restaurant (which yes us ancient old middle aged crones are still allowed to go to!)

SapphosRock · 05/02/2020 10:50

Jacob Rees-Mogg got plenty of flack for that reclining pose so no reason why she shouldn't be pulled up on her choice of top. I wouldn't be allowed to wear that top to work and neither would a man. Unsuitable for the House of Commons.

The comments are sexist though.

ScipioAfricanus · 05/02/2020 10:49

I agree that they have approached the issue in a sexist manner, and she wouldn’t have got so much sexually-themed name calling if she were a man wearing a pair of shorts (trying to think of gendered clothing which would seem equally casual or inappropriate to me).

I don’t understand why she would wear this, though. And I think my dislike of it is not misogynistic or anti-feminist. I think it looks unprofessional, which is sort of to do with the scruffy and skin-baring nature of it. Maybe at its very core there’s something sexist about that. It’s also harder for men to look unprofessional because there are such strict rules to their professional clothing (suits).

Spidey66 · 05/02/2020 10:48

I don't have a problem with the dress, but do feel it's inappropriate for working in the House of Commons. It would be fine if she worked in a clothes shop, or an informal office etc.

I don't agree on calling her sexist terms though.

Findumdum1 · 05/02/2020 10:48

I have to say i don't really think this is a feminist issue, though of course the name calling was predictably crass. I think modern professional attire suitable for work has of course evolved and become more smart casual but she has taken it a tad too far. I would wear a t shirt to work of no meetings but I wouldn't wear an off the shoulder top. I think it looked massively out of place in the HOC and on tv. Hypocrisy when you see the state of people on Love Island etc but that was not 2020 work attire.

Justhadathought · 05/02/2020 10:47

Imagine the reaction if a male MP decided to turn up to the HoC in shorts. It's not a feminist issue, it's a self-respect one

I think the issue is that many women cling to versions of themselves which rely on being seen as sexy.......which is an easy thing to slip into for a woman who has always been considered attractive.You see quite elderly women, too, tottering around in high heels - which are anything but flattering.....not that high heels are a great look on anyone in my opinion. But when you are younger you can get away with such experimentation.

Having so much bare flesh on show in such a setting would be a distraction from the role whatever your age........and more suitable for a night out. Also sends out mixed messages about your intention.

That she is the new shadow women's & equalities minister seems to suggest that she may not have a particularly radical view of what feminism is about...maybe more on the non-questioning liberal side of things...do what you want, wear what you like sort of thing......

FrogsFrogs · 05/02/2020 10:44

Myimaginary you think she looks like she's just been 'banged over a wheelie bin'?

Ok that's totally not where my mind would go when I see a bit of a woman's shoulder.

Personally I think it's not really appropriate for work

But the insults leveled at her are highly misogynistic

And apparently supported by at least one woman on here

The propensity of men (and women sometimes) to use sexualised insults about women and girls is grim, calling schoolgirls sluts etc if they have a short skirt on. Of course it's a feminist issue.

Do men get told they look like they've just been banged over a wheelie bin when they wear shorts. Erm that would be a no. And lots of people would find it shocking if someone did suggest that.

aliasundercover · 05/02/2020 10:43

She may not be any of the things she described in her tweet but unfortunately that is what she looked like

You're agreeing she looks like she's: "Just been banged over a wheelie bin"?

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Myimaginarycathasfleas · 05/02/2020 10:36

She may not be any of the things she described in her tweet but unfortunately that is what she looked like. Very inappropriate wear if she expected to be taken seriously.

Imagine the reaction if a male MP decided to turn up to the HoC in shorts. It's not a feminist issue, it's a self-respect one.

LouHotel · 05/02/2020 10:32

I think its very flattering on her, my mum is in her 60s and could equally pull that off.

It’s not professional attire but the name calling was deeply seeped in sexism.

Justhadathought · 05/02/2020 10:29

.....but that is really not a very professional way to dress. Totally inappropriate for the House Of Commons, or indeed any professional situation.

I wonder what was going on in her mind to dress in such a way? You do see many older women clinging to outworn versions of how they used to dress when younger....and inevitably ends up being deeply unflattering.

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