It's 2020 folks. 2020!

If I had a thought about the outfit it would have been, oh, she's already changed into her going out for dinner after work outfit. Not alleyway shagging. That's a very odd place for people's minds to go.

Maybe

And the commentary wouldn't be, he looks like a slut who just got fucked in an alleyway etc!

One of my male colleagues got a bollocking for daring to wear smart knee length tailored shorts to work during a particularly hot and sticky summer. All around him were female colleagues wearing spaghetti tops, shorts, mini skirts, thin dresses and open toe sandals without drawing any comment.

He raised it with HR and the whole appropriate wear at work issue was examined. It had no basis in practicality or equality and was abandoned in favour of a case by case approach.

She made a poor choice. She got slated. Comments were made describing what she looked like. Big deal.

Would the male equivalent be a man with a shirt underdone halfway, revealing a taut, hairy chest?

Totally inappropriate for working in the HoC. But, he'd be described using more 'sexy' sounding words I'm sure.

I think oh there's a woman in the house of commons showing rather more shoulder than is generally appropriate for work.

And that's it.

I don't start thinking anything about her being fucked at all. That's pretty weird to me.

Myimaginary you honestly look at that picture of a woman speaking in the house of commons and think, she literally looks as if she just got fucked in an alleyway.

I'm glad I don't have thought processes like that tbh.

That is just naive......if you wear clothing which is deemed, in your culture, by sexist people to be sexy...then that is the response you are going to receive.*
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Corrected that for you.

Justhad, FYI, the idea that if women go to bars they should expect to be sexually harassed is horrible.

No I don't want men making obscene comments etc when I'm out with my friends. They always did though. You seem to take the view that this is just something men are always going to do and women should accept. No thanks.

I think you need to learn to hold men to a higher standard, Just.

'Clothing is about self expression, but also about social expectation and messaging. That is the big problem for me in the way that women are brought up to present themselves as primarily, sex objects - looking to attract admiring or lustful glances. women valuing themselves largely as being seen as sexually alluring or attractive.'

Fucking hell just no. Most women girls are dressing according to fashion and what they are told looks 'nice'.

Schoolgirls who roll their skirts up aren't aiming to get 'lustful glances' from adult men, FFS.

I don't want 'lustful glances' as I'm going about my daily business either FFS men ogling women and girls who are just out and about is something women and girls have been saying forever makes them uncomfortable.

Bloody hell.

That is just naive......if you wear clothing which is deemed, in your culture, to be sexy...then that is the response you are going to receive.

And as women we should be strongly challenging those misogynistic, sexist people not meekly accepting it

It was unprofessional work attire. Some of the comments were disgusting, but they're anonymous, below the line shite as usual.

As far as I know, nobody has officially commented or suggested she should change her attire.

And Jacob RS was absolutely roasted for sleeping in the HoC.

I don't agree with that at all..If she was wearing that in a bar I wouldn't expect anyone to see that as an excuse to sexually harass her

No, but sexualised comments might well be expected, or certainly glances and wandering eyes..... Much of the night-life scene is a bit of a meat market after all....with singles out to attract a mate, or to have their appeal validated.

Women judging other women for their clothing choices...
Now, that's really not a good look.

Myimaginary you think she looks like she's just been 'banged over a wheelie bin'?

Honestly?

I think it's a funny comment, but yes, in one of the photos I've seen, she does a bit!

are you a man

Don't be daft! Be conscious.

Damn good point about Bunce. No woman would ever dress like that at work.

Another problem is that many young girls are unaware that the clothing they wear is seen as at all sexually provocative. They just think they look pretty - because that is the general look amongst young women - presented in magazines etc

You can still dress stylishly, with confidence and personality, without wearing push-up bras and shorts so small your bum cheeks are on show.

I have never seen a woman dressed like Bunce in the workplace. Because that's not professional attire. If Bunce was female it wouldn't be allowed in an office, especially not in such a conservative industry.

I want to talk about professional attire.

When Philip Bunce scooped an FT Woman of the award and was subsequently praised for being stunning and brave, not one of these arseholes commented on his attire - a quick scan of images shows a range of attire that would be deemed unsuitable.

Same old slut shaming against women by men.

Saying "that's not professional clothing" is fine. The rest of it is just sexism. If she was in a more casual environment it would be fine, and none of anyone else's business.

Throwing in some ageism too really isn't helping.

No no no no. Outside of work women deserve to wear whatever the fuck they want without expecting sexist responses to their choice of clothing

That is just naive......if you wear clothing which is deemed, in your culture, to be sexy...then that is the response you are going to receive.

Clothing is about self expression, but also about social expectation and messaging. That is the big problem for me in the way that women are brought up to present themselves as primarily, sex objects - looking to attract admiring or lustful glances. women valuing themselves largely as being seen as sexually alluring or attractive.

Yes, but if you will dress in clothing that is specifically designed to reveal your female shape..then you can probably expect responses which are sexist...

No no no no. Outside of work women deserve to wear whatever the fuck they want without expecting sexist responses to their choice of clothing.

At work they can be expected to be told to dress professionally, perfectly possible without being sexist.

are you a man?

I don't agree with that at all..If she was wearing that in a bar I wouldn't expect anyone to see that as an excuse to sexually harass her. I thought we'd moved on from "she was asking for it because she had a short skirt on" jeez.

It’s not professional attire but the name calling was deeply seeped in sexism

Yes, but if you will dress in clothing that is specifically designed to reveal your female shape..then you can probably expect responses which are sexist......If you wear plunging necklines and push-up bras do you really expect people not to notice or comment?

Obviously there is no way disguising the shape of the body, outside of wearing voluminous garments..not that should we have to attempt to. But flaunting oneself in ways which are considered appropriate for attracting sexual interest is not the way to proceed, surely, if you don't want that kind of attention.

Some women do seem unconscious, or oblivious, of the signals that wearing 'sexualised' clothing sends out.