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Impressive new article by Debbie Hayton.

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Umyeahnah · 03/02/2020 02:26

I've not been Debbie's biggest fan, but this is changing my view. Thankyou Debbie for owning your autogynaphilia, and writing about it .

The irony is I'm not sure guidelines allow me to use that word?

quillette.com/2020/02/02/i-may-have-gender-dysphoria-but-i-still-prefer-to-base-my-life-on-biology-not-fantasy/

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Umyeahnah · 03/02/2020 03:17

Yeah most paraphilia are not victimless I agree. Even things like auto self- asphixiation, if the person dies.
Incidently, Michael Bailey shared in The Man Who Would be Queen that one quarter of deaths by auto asphixiation are men found dressed in women's clothing. He was discussing how paraphilias are often multiple.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/02/2020 03:06

It's certainly not a victimless paraphilia from the perspective of those married to or otherwise in a relationship with the person who has it, especially in cases where the paraphilia wasn't made clear from the beginning of the relationship.

Datun · 03/02/2020 03:02

I also take issue that, as a paraphilia, it's 'victimless'.

Apart from the secrecy, that Debbie attests to, resulting in deceit, one of the characteristics appears to be arousal due to the 'humiliating' nature of being a 'woman'.

'Forced feminisation' propagates the concept that being female is lesser than/degrading.

Hardly victimless.

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Umyeahnah · 03/02/2020 02:57

Does Debbie still think Debbie deserves access to women's spaces?

No they conceded that one too. Fair play, listening and learning.

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Umyeahnah · 03/02/2020 02:56

*tis

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Umyeahnah · 03/02/2020 02:56

Maybe they had and I missed it Datsun.In the Benjamin Boyce video they said they felt like a female from age 4, which does not really fit with AGP. This a mystery.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/02/2020 02:50

Does Debbie still think Debbie deserves access to women's spaces? Because if so no amount of self awareness really counterbalances that.

Datun · 03/02/2020 02:39

Is this the first time Debbie has agreed they are AGP?

(You can talk about it. But need to remain within guidelines)

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Umyeahnah · 03/02/2020 02:30

"I speak from experience when I say that it’s difficult for autogynephiles to admit the simple truth that they are simply heterosexual males who use the conceit of female self-identification as a means to rationalize their sexual attraction to a female version of themselves"

"Autogynephilia drove my own transsexualism. And I can attest that there is huge mental dissonance built up in the brain of a male who somehow is heterosexually attracted to their own body."

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