Impressive new article by Debbie Hayton.

Good article, thanks for sharing OP. Would Debbie be prepared to give up the pronouns? Would the school be prepared to employ "a man in a dress"?

Are there really a significant number of people who would not see a glaring problem. with a self confessed autogynephile, in women's clothes, teaching children? Telling them to call them Miss and using (certainly until lately) facilities for females?

I don't consent

As far as I'm concerned, anything which helps to progress the truth and reality of this madness is welcome.Regardless of any criticism or complaint, I think it is very brave of Hayton to write this piece.

Almost as interesting are some of the comments beneath, such as "men want to be women because women are so privileged".....before being corrected with the fact that many young girls who are seeking to transition, don't seem to be aware of this.

This is a no-win situation for women - don’t accept what Debbie is saying and there will be people calling out ‘transphobe’; do accept it and therefore be part of the fetish. The fact that Debbie is able to publish and discuss this (and remain in a job working with women and children) is itself sign of how far this ideology has become mainstream. It is just pushing the boundaries a little bit more by being open about it.

Nailed it Datun

Also saw this article and was impressed..but also astounded. Couldn't Debbie be sacked over this?

Admitting that their being a transwoman is sexually motivated and telling your pupils to call you miss?

How does that tally with their school safeguarding policy?

It's mind boggling.

Funny...if I were to say what Debbie, a self-described AGP says about "the elephant in the room", I'd be deleted.

Great article. There'll be ructions aplenty when they see this. Lol.Wish I was a fly on their walls.

I've gone back and read it again, given that I suspect I missed something! I did! I read it with my 'be kind' head on, didn't I? sad

It's easily done.

I'm not sure if Debbie still does but Debbie certainly has used women's toilets and facilities in the past.

I follow Debbie on twitter. H* (Debbie calls themself that but who knows if repeating this is strike-worthy?)

Debbie doesn’t agree that they should have access to woman only spaces. They are frequently the target of twitter spats with those who do. Sounds like a level head. Yes a male voice will be heard above women (it’s the way of the world) but sometimes they have something decent to say.

The article is all part of the paraphernalia [sic] isn't it.

I've gone back and read it again, given that I suspect I missed something! I did! I read it with my 'be kind' head on, didn't I?

My 'understanding' is part of the kicks! Blech!

The article is all part of the paraphernalia isn't it. Admitting something humiliating. Writing something that is going to get them a kicking from the TRAs.

I can't find too much to fault Hayton with, at this moment in time. The acknowledgment that 'Debbie' has been a process, one that Debbie is still coming to terms with, gaining new understanding of is valuable to all. That Debbie is doing this on the public, with an eye on telling TRAs to shut up, is also of value to many other than Debbie.

Much as I disagree with lots of what Debbie has to say, and hate that a man's voice is heard more than any woman's, no matter how that man presents. I do think we can accept the help, the pulling in the same direction, of such 5th columnists and have meaningful discussions over our differences later!

But it really rankles that we STILL have to have such stupid bloody conversations...

Yes to previous comments. Transitioning may help with the dysphoria, but at what cost to others, and to society in general?

At what point do we say there needs to be much more research into finding treatments that do not rely on societal acceptance of something that on some levels is not really acceptable: i.e. engaging others in an activity that is, at heart, sexual. I wondered as I read the article whether this was something that should really be normalised... or indeed could be. It’s not accidental that so much effort has gone into obscuring the facts.

Busted - exactly. I do not consent.

And children can't consent.

Interesting to see Hayton accept their AGP, but normalising this fetish, which really requires womens non consented involvement, is a major red flag issue for me.

I do not consent

No wonder Hayton's wife looked so drained in that documentary. When your husband transitions and gets everyone to refer to them as Debbie and she it must be highly distressing. Knowing they are doing it for sexual kicks but you have to go along with it or break up the family must make it even more distressing.

Debbie is going to get flamed by the TRAs for this.

And after being able to read it without someone clambering all over me, I have to say it's very impressive, includes many key details and points. I am going to be able to share this very confidently with some key people.

Very interesting. I commend Debbie too for writing this.

Implications for organisations who write school policies around identity and toilets etc are huge, not least as Debbie is a teacher.

I imagine there will be an argument over true trans etc; agp isn't welcome under the umbrella.

Also saw this article and was impressed..but also astounded. Couldn't Debbie be sacked over this? If being a woman is even partially about a paraphilia, then this is like a rubber fetishist wearing latex to teach in. And if part of autogynephilia is getting subjugating women especially to accept you as female, then isn't this essentially non-consensually engaging colleagues and minors in Debbie's sexual thrills? How can that be an acceptable position for Debbie, the school or governors to hold? Or have I misunderstood this aspect of AGP?

I commend Debbie for writing this. I do think it took a certain amount of courage.

Then there are the narratives how compelling someone, women mostly, into treating an autogynephile as a woman, is also arousing.

Shop assistants, etc.

I wonder if Debbie will acknowledge this side of it in the end. It certainly seems to have been a journey.

Maybe being around women and the rock solid logic of gender critical feminism is responsible? Likewise Miranda.

Paraphilias do tend to cluster, which is another reason I side eye the idea that they're likely to be harmless - even if one is there's a decent chance that the person has others that aren't.