The view of Mumsnet from Reddit

What stands out to me is how much these people hate - REALLY HATE - women in general and mothers in particular.

I wonder why that would be?

Correct Talking and this is why women daring to meet up at WPUK events is met with such outrage from males and when we say "no" it turns even nastier.

It's the usual reason. A lot of women talking, without men to supervise them, makes misogynist nervous.

Yeah, that was my take. How very dare all these uppity females think and speak without male supervision?! What on earth is going on in the world when we can’t control them? Outrageous state of affairs.

They might as well all sign off as Outraged of Tunbridge Wells.

I didn't know Stewart Lee had been posting on Reddit too.

It always makes me laugh that if we are as so thick/ignorant/bigoted/inconsequential,
then why we are such a perceived threat? Why do the likes of Harrop and Aslan go out of their way to bother themselves with what the Mumsnet massive are doing?

Why does the NSPCC pull out of safeguarding talks? Why did Mumsnet produce a thread about our influence on Westminster? why was Jess Philips so rattled? And why did news of Jo Swinson's failure to acknowledge the two sexes, travel far and wide?

If we are so insignificant then why does anybody care?

I will admit, it was hard to decide which shower or bath to use in my seventeen bathroom-ed middle/upper class home.
Rather than the ex-council house, y'know.

A shower. Stop with that boasting

I even had a shower

Pft. I'll have you know I got dressed today!!

True. I'm a Russian bot.

PJs?

This, my friends, is a trans trouser suit.

I’m formal like that.

I looked at it a few times. What shite!

Come the Fazak Revolution, it's where I'll be sending the grammar police who derail threads from young Asian women looking for a bit of support on here. My version of Dante's Inferno.

Mwah hah ha ha hah!

So, so much of this is at heart teenagers grumping about mum. It's quite sweet in a warped way.

All the fury that mum has views, a mind of her own, a sex life, and does other things apart from exist to nurture and serve them.

Most of us identify as cunty types, I suppose.

uneducated women

I thought it was the opposite - we're all middle-aged snobs dwelling in academia.

Cross posted with you boatyardblues! Fellow pyjama poster

They can say what they like. It's sexist othering nonsense. Apart from the bit about sitting around in pyjamas, which I am doing today.

I think socialisation has much more of reality than many GC feminists like to admit

Look at variations in sexist norms over time and geography - gender is all socialisation. This is uncontroversial amongst GC feminists I think?

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I agree with you about Twitter. But why is it nasty to say that TW are M? It is a neutral fact, robustly evidenced. Saying this doesn't make a person nasty, even if other people don't want to hear it.

I find that assertion that TWAW dangerous, appropriative and nasty. The people who say it aren't necessarily nasty themselves.

I recognise the posting in my pyjamas bit, but even that is on non-busy weekend mornings. The rest of it? 🤣 Like someone else said: more projection than IMAX.

One of the difficulties with debate is that the big fault line of TWAW comes up so early. If you think that believing TW aren't W is transphobic, that's kind of the end. If you think TW aren't W or are nasty enough to say TW are M, that's kind of it too.

I would quite like to see a proper formal long debate on the proposition 'This house believes TW are W and TM are M' because of course there are arguments on both sides, it depends on how you define things. But it cant be done in 140 characters, especially if you get cancelled and doxxed literally for liking an 140 character message from someone who once stated that biology matters.

I think socialisation has much more of reality than many GC feminists like to admit

I don't understand this. Surely most GC feminists believe gender is nothing but socialisation, and that's why they object to the medicalisation of people who aren't gender conforming.

Apparently we are worried men will castrate our daughters....I'm just not sure where to even start with that kind of statement

Is that because some daughters have penises?

Apparently we are worried men will castrate our daughters....I'm just not sure where to even start with that kind of statement

If we are all so uneducated and thick, then why don’t some of those posters from Reddit come here and debate us? They would easily win surely?

No. But there is something that someone once posted on this board that I do recognise. They said that motherhood has a radicalising effect. I 100% see myself in this. I didn’t notice just how sexist and misogynistic our society (including many movements in feminism) is until my biology came into play. I now understand the immutable effects that biology has. While I am not wholly gender critical (I think socialisation has much more of reality than many GC feminists like to admit) and obviously not transphobic (my opinions on the importance of sex apply just as much to trans people and are in no way aimed at alienating them or oppressing them) I’m sure some people (particularly young or Male bodied people whose lives haven’t been affected by their biology in the same way) wouldn’t understand and might assume I’m a terf for saying that biology is important and sex cannot be changed.

The usual lazy stereotyping, then.

'Uneducated' briefly surprised me, since I thought the stereotype of Mumsnetters was that we all have (or claim to have!) more degrees than anyone could possibly need. Then I remembered that their idea of 'education' is 'Repeat after us: TWAW' - and it began to make sense.