Reddit progress

Meh just had a quick look at r/MensRghts, and altho I dislike it, I'm against quarantine and or deletion.

This ^ and this:

Be careful. If Reddit start banning subs, then the GC sub will almost certainly be deleted.

Either you are in favour of free speech (which means all speech including that you find distasteful, offensive and disagreeable) and we counter it with rational arguments or you are in favour of shutting down opinions which oppose yours. You can't have both.

I am in favour of free speech even if I find those subs unpleasant - what I do is ... avoid reading them.

OP

I thought you posted this thinking it was good news? Sorry, bit confused now.

I agree. Better to be able to see what some people are thinking than squash it underground.
Banning the Red Pill subreddit won’t magically stop men hating women.

And all it takes is a change of management and your own views are the ones that become unutterable.
Better to have it all out in the open and see how things shake down. That’s the idea behind parliamentary debates, not that it’s working well in these hyper partisan times!

What if sunlight is actually a recruiting tool?

Well there is no denying that it might be. I sympathise with where you're coming from. My initial reaction is to want somebody to shut it down and make it go away. But doing that won't in fact make it go away.

Some people consider my own views on gender to be just as bad. The flip side of censorship - the silencing of legitimate debate and inconvenient points of view - is too IMO dangerous.

I've not really paid much attention to the MGTOW and Red Pill stuff. As AutumnRose1 mentions, as fas as I'm aware those who frequent such groups aren't inciting violence against women.

I don't have to like or agree with certain viewpoints. They are free to discuss what they like. There are topics discussed in feminist circles that people might find quite objectionable or extreme, for example, female separatism.

Bad ideas or ideology should be countered by rational and persuasive arguments. Banning or shutting down problematic conversations only proves that you have nothing of substance to actually counter such ideas.

Dulang

mm, see I think it's a problem if they are shut down for that type of thing.
The Feminism board could be shut down for all kinds of things if they're just going with "offensive".

also it's quite good for sunlight to be shone on these attitudes - good for teenage girls even to know this kind of thinking exists and to watch out for red flags.

I never saw any incitement to violence in my lurking days (circa 2014).
Excitement to ‘pump and dump’ definitely happened.
Mostly it was coaching men through text message exchanges of the ‘treat em mean to keep em keen’ variety and sharing stories of how Red Pill philosophy was getting them laid and how much they resented paying child support.

one reason I ask if they are actually inciting violence - we could be shut down for being "shocking and offensive" too. That's not really a good enough reason is it?

I agree, GCAcademic
Anyone that wants the left to ever regain power should watch this:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kf1YKeq7lA

Voting Tory because they are GC is like voting for Nick Griffin because you quite like his take on fisheries policy.

That statement there sums up exactly where the left has gone wrong. Carry on like that and Labour will be out of power for a generation.

The Red Pill is mostly dating strategy for men who don’t actually like women, it’s where all the ‘chad’ and Becky/Stacy lingo comes from.

They say women ‘ride the cock carousel’ until they get too old (Aka ‘hit the wall’) and have to settle for a ‘beta male’:

www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/14/the-red-pill-reddit-modern-misogyny-manosphere-men

I used to lurk it a bit, helped me enormously with avoiding asshats and PUA last time I was single.

I think drawing analogies between voting Tory and voting BNP are another reason why we have Prime Minister Johnson.

I've not actually seen them

Do they incite violence towards women?

Sigh.

"Let’s hope that the people who voted for the Face-Eating Leopard Party aren’t too surprised when the leopards eat their faces."

Beautifully put! Voting Tory because they are GC is like voting for Nick Griffin because you quite like his take on fisheries policy.

I agree, Flo.

I voted Remain, but in the following years I’ve engaged with ideas from political commentators such as Paul Embery and have, if not quite revised my opinion, learned lots of stuff that would make it a much harder vote to cast now.

I’m also thoroughly bored of people trotting our memes and cliches about face eating leopards, rather than properly engaging in why people make the calls they do.

The problem with prohibiting sunlight is one day you wake up and it's 24 June 2016.

Prohibiting legitimate discussion about immigration is clearly an issue. That doesn’t mean that we should allow sites that actively whip up hatred. What about the Stormfront website (no idea if that’s still going and don’t want to look but it’s a discussion forum for neo-nazis).

The problem with prohibiting sunlight is one day you wake up and it's 24 June 2016.
Exactly. And even then the remain camp (and to my everlasting shame I was one of them) chose to smear and obstruct rather than to listen and talk.
Which, in my opinion, is what led to waking up on 13th December 2019.

Some women voted for Boris because they believed he would be the best option for retaining women’s rights to single sex spaces.

Let’s hope that the people who voted for the Face-Eating Leopard Party aren’t too surprised when the leopards eat their faces.

The problem with prohibiting sunlight is one day you wake up and it's 24 June 2016.

Do you think people who voted for Brexit were allowed sunlight?
Or were they labelled thick and racist?

Some women voted for Boris because they believed he would be the best option for retaining women’s rights to single sex spaces.

Judging by the newly appointed Minister for Women and Equalities, they were right.

I was talking about Nick Griffin’s racism. Clearly Johnson and Trump have showed that being racist isn’t a massive issue any more either.

Sunlight didn’t seem to do their chances any harm.

While outright racism was deemed to be abhorrent, misogyny isn’t.