Reddit progress

used to lurk it a bit, helped me enormously with avoiding asshats and PUA last time I was single.

Me too, especially as I did once accidentally date a PUA briefly.

Has something recent happened for them be quarantined?

They were quarantined with a whole bunch of other questionable content. It’s still accessible, you just can’t click on it by accident any more (and you need an account).

“The quarantine is the latest attempt by Reddit to stifle the spread of hate speech and misinformation on its platform”

“Russell Ryland, a moderator at R/WatchPeopleDie, called the quarantine a “slow death sentence” for his subreddit, which hosts shock videos of people dying in various ways. The verified email requirement alone, Ryland told The Daily Beast, would be a “huge hit” to the subreddit’s readership, which currently sits at more than 400,00 subscribers”

www.thedailybeast.com/reddit-quarantines-white-nationalist-subreddits?ref=scroll

Unfortunately you can be sure that TRAs are campaigning for the GC subreddit to be quarantined and I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened at some point.

I’d be very surprised. I don’t think Reddit gives much of a shit about social justice warriors and does give a shit about free speech.

It doesn’t even appear on the wikipedia list of controversial reddit communities en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities

The current line is incitement to commit crime.
I think that’s fine, personally.

If it's applied consistently and reasonably, then incitement to commit (violent or sexual) crime seems like a good line. The Red Pill types were certainly persuading each other to rape women. They have a three letter abbreviation for "last minute resistance" (to penetration, from a woman) and encouraged each other to "overcome" it. That has been the case for years and it's horrific to even think about how many socially clueless men have been incited into rape by that concept.

But they have been doing that for years now without intervention from Reddit admins, so it doesn't seem like "incitement to crime" is Reddit's line. Has something recent happened for them be quarantined?

Let’s hope that the people who voted for the Face-Eating Leopard Party aren’t too surprised when the leopards eat their faces.

eh. It was them or the Poisonous Jellyfish party, women had to weigh up their chances and at least the leopards were upfront with the whole face-eating agenda. None of this "Be nice! The jellyfish just want a hug!" business.

Whereas my view is that it should be possible to argue that GC discussion is sufficiently different to nazis and paedophiles to be able to allow one and not the other

Unfortunately you can be sure that TRAs are campaigning for the GC subreddit to be quarantined and I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened at some point. They view it as hate speech after all...

I've found r/TheRedPill and r/MGTOW to be enormously informative over the years in terms of revealing the nature of the psychological space of some hardcore anti-feminists/anti-women agitators.

In some cases, I've been able to read between the lines and actually felt very sorry for some of the posters. You can see how some posters have been a victim of their upbringings, their environments, of received ideas, of their own vulnerabilities ... and how it's completely screwed up their lives.

So I would never advocate suppressing those forums. I also don't think it is a good idea to drive these kinds of communities underground.

But having said that, I don't think society can survive these constant sectarian and factional "culture wars", whether they take place in material reality or digital space. It's already getting too much, and something will have to shift eventually.

What that will be, I don't know.

It’s rarely women who get to decide, that’s for sure!

Who decides? Probably society in the end.

This same argument could have been used to suppress support for the Jews in Nazi Germany or opposition to the gulags in Soviet Russia. 'Society' often gets things horrible wrong, which is why it's so important that individuals have the right to dissent.

It's depressing that we seem to have to relearn this every couple of generations.

They may well get their arse handed back - because on this site we are still able to argue and debate opposing views. But if people who share those views of WPUK also have the ear of our public institutions - what happens then? You seem very confident that sense and legitimacy will prevail.

There's a poster on another thread right now comparing WPUK to the KKK

And they will presumably be quite rightly handed their arse on a plate.

Who decides? Probably society in the end. It comes out in the wash if it’s a legitimate concern, I reckon. We are now discussing immigration, we are now discussing groups of Asian men grooming girls, we are now discussing putting male bodies in women’s prisons.

I meant specifically to do with your ‘PT’ phrase, which is oft used on Reddit GC, but not something anyone would associate with here.

You’re kidding, right? An advanced search throws up hundreds of hits, it is used loads here. If that is now frowned upon then that is a change I was not aware of.

Whereas my view is.....
That's the problem though, isn't it? I'm sure you consider your own views to be perfectly reasonable, just as I view mine. No doubt we'd agree on some issues. The point is that other people regard those views as hateful. There's a poster on another thread right now comparing WPUK to the KKK. I'm pretty sure I've seen Owen Jones describe the LGB Alliance as a hate group. Who decides?

I meant specifically to do with your ‘PT’ phrase, which is oft used on Reddit GC, but not something anyone would associate with here.

I personally don’t think it possible to argue that free speech should only be for some. I can accept that free speech for me means free speech for arseholes I disagree with. Like I said ages back. Lurking The Red Pill was useful to me when it came to knowing what to avoid while dating. If those discussions took place only on invite-only, private spaces, it would be information lost to me.
I’m sure the police prefer contentious opinion to be in public sight too.

‘obviously Nazi clubs shouldn’t be allowed’

By whom? Private platforms like Reddit or by the state?

How are you going to challenge and potentially change people's views if they're not allowed to talk about them?

Is redpill a forum that encourages discussion and challenge? Is (was?) Stormfront open to respectful debate of white supremacy?

I don’t think that the existence of a forum automatically means that their ideas are open to discussion and challenge. Some people just want a circlejerk.

I think you must be confusing Mumsnet FWR with Gender Critical Reddit?

No. We both know that MN is under extreme pressure from activists to shut down a debate which is a massive feature of FWR. Famously so.

What seems to be happening is that people who in the past would have gone ‘obviously Nazi clubs shouldn’t be allowed’ are suddenly (and reasonably) thinking ‘shit, my free speech is under threat too, I’m going to start arguing that all speech should be allowed, including nazis and paedophiles, to safeguard my discussion’.

Whereas my view is that it should be possible to argue that GC discussion is sufficiently different to nazis and paedophiles to be able to allow one and not the other.

And further, that GC discussion is sufficiently different to redpill discussion that GC people shouldn’t be concerned with the closing of redpill.

I don’t know how GC Reddit compares to FWR though. Reddit tends to be a bit of a cesspool.

I think you must be confusing Mumsnet FWR with Gender Critical Reddit?

1. PT is one of the terms that are discouraged on Mumsnet.
2. What the owners of Reddit choose to do does not obligate Mumsnet to do the same, and Justine has made her commitment to Free speech clear on a number of occasions, including in interviews with mainstream media.

I find The Red Pill distasteful but not illegal, so I accept they have a right to hold and state those beliefs.
I’m sure plenty of users of The Red Pill would find the discourse on. Mumsnet equally distasteful, but the Relationships board is the one likely to be attracting ire.
FWR is pro liberation of women from the patriarchy (inc the patriciarchy!) and I’m sure some transactivists consider that to be transphobic, just as some feminists consider transactivism to be misogynistic.

If your intersectionality isn’t for the benefit of women, it isn’t feminism 🤷‍♀️

You may think a debate needs to be had and I would agree with you. I think the point is that there are others who don't agree, who believe the feminist board should be shut down and who regard WPUK as a hate group.
Who gets to decide?
How are you going to challenge and potentially change people's views if they're not allowed to talk about them?

I think that you can’t think that Mumsnet is responsible for ‘peaktransing’ loads of people who in real life would otherwise be totally unaware of the debate and at the same time think that Reddit redpill only provides a discussion forum for men who would already be women-haters and know all the anti-women lines in real life.

Of course not. Even the title is literally about opening people’s eyes to ‘the truth’.

If you think that MN feminism forums could be shut down on the same grounds as redpill then either you’re totally unaware of the level of redpill discourse, or you think that MN feminism is actually transphobic.

MNHQ keep it open because there is clearly a debate that needs to be had, particularly around the safeguarding of children.

Are you coming at it from a safeguarding point of view? If so I can understand it, but do you really think a ban would help keep women safe? Do you think a man is going to change his opinions because he's no longer allowed to talk about them on Reddit? Or do you think a ban might only serve to fuel his resentment even further and drive him even deeper underground?

Some TRAs argue that this board makes them feel unsafe. Do you think it should be banned too? Would it change any of your opinions if it was?

Could there possibly be any crossover between men who go on Reddit redpill and similar women-hating forums and those who harass women in real life?

I would expect so.

Call women terfs and you can now unleash your hate towards women

Gawd watched that YouTube

No hate no fear. The demonstrators were shouting but they looked really hateful and frightening

Towards women having a meeting

When the feminist discussion takes place in the real world, this happens: www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=26&v=IDHtq9wKEkY&feature=emb_logo

(Footage from outside of Megan Muphy’s Seattle talk)

No swastika flags but otherwise it sure is hard to tell these Antifa activists from the Nazi ones at Charlottesville.

It isn't clear to me whether this thread is about prohibition of discussions in private spaces, controlled by private entities, or discussions in public spaces, controlled by the state.

Of course a private entity can prohibit discussion in the spaces it controls. However, the discussion will happen elsewhere so what then?