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Stewart Lee

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FalloverBoy · 01/02/2020 14:06

He’s on tour and I’ve just seen a Twitter post by someone saying he had a dig at Ricky Gervais’ Transphobia. That he hates Ricky Gervais is no surprise (I’m more of a Stewart Lee gal myself) but has anyone seen him live on this tour? I want to stick my fingers in my ears if he is because I bloody love his comedy.

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SadlyMissTaken · 01/02/2020 23:51

I saw him at the Union Chapel too and didn't laugh once. He and Jo Brand were the night's big names and neither was funny imo. I like Jo Brand though.

RUOKHon · 01/02/2020 23:49

I also understand that ‘Stewart Lee the stand up’ is a character, distinct from Stewart lee the writer. But even so... still disappointing.

And aside from the GC stuff, I did think this time that he was becoming a little bit of a pastiche of himself. Although with SL it’s hard to tell whether that’s intentional or not.

FalloverBoy · 01/02/2020 23:46

No I’m definitely not him. Although I am a similar age and lived near to where he went to school. I never knew anyone from his school though because it was a posh school and I just went to a bog standard comp. He doesn’t need to start his own thread on Mumsnet. That would be tragic.

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RUOKHon · 01/02/2020 23:45

I saw the show the other day and the Ricky Gervais transphobia thing was one tiny comment. He was pretending to be Gervais pulling his jokes out of his arse and flinging them at people: “take that, the transgender community. Take that, mongs!”

That was literally all it was.

Then later on he does a bit about political correctness and implies that the older generation are thick because they don’t understand unisex toilets.

I have loved Stewart Lee’s comedy for years. Big fan. But I’ll be honest, I was disappointed this time. I really thought he’d understand where women were coming from with gender criticism but his latest routine hints that he hasn’t thought about it at all from Women’s point of view, or he doesn’t give a shit.

I liked Frankie Boyle’s later, more apocalyptic stuff (after he’d grown out of trying and failing to make ironic jokes about disabled children). But I went to see him live, trying out new material for his TV show and one of his jokes was almost verbatim something like: “it’s mad how people have transgender people, as if men are going to put on a dress just so they can go into the toilets and wank at someone.”

And I was just sitting there thinking, err that LITERALLY has already happened and is a new thing that women now have to be afraid of on top of all the other predatory shit we already have to be afraid of, and, sorry if this seems ‘snowflake-y’ to you, but it’s not funny.

I thought of all people that Stewart Lee would be intelligent and insightful enough to grasp it but apparently not.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 01/02/2020 23:43

Well, it's fair to say Stewart is not a fan of the site and there was much mirth from the intellectually elite and politically astute Hmm every time it was mentioned.

NemophilistRebel · 01/02/2020 23:34

He referenced Mumsnet posts back in his test shows end of last year
Not a new thing

EndoplasmicReticulum · 01/02/2020 23:28

So you're not Stewart Lee starting this thread to get more material for tonight's show then.

FalloverBoy · 01/02/2020 23:26

Errr... not my first post. I've been here for about 12 years but in the last few years regularly change my username.

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HandsOffMyLangCleg · 01/02/2020 23:23

Correct Occasional
Same old, same old, dressed up as new and enlightened.

Closdes I think you're on to something there..

FalloverBoy · 01/02/2020 23:21

Oh well. I'm finding this all so fucking depressing. People I respected, who made me laugh who I thought 'got' things are becoming unpalatable to me with their attitudes. What's changed? I'm a feminist but not 'radical', left-wing, on the same sort of wavelength (I thought) , a fan of comedy that challenges but Jesus Fucking Christ what's happening. Some blindness to the basic rights and equality of women. Maybe it was there all the time and I was too naive to see it.

Think I'll stick to Burnistoun.

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ClosdesMouches · 01/02/2020 23:17

Sounds dreadful, handsoff.
So he's been reading the thread (I've never heard of him btw).
And what a coincidence that this thread appears to be the OP's very first post on MN.
Hmm

OccasionalKite · 01/02/2020 23:13

Again.

Seem to be men, talking about and with other men, about which men - in their opinion - qualify for womanhood.

Bollocks to that.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 01/02/2020 23:09

Stewart told the audience he's been reading the thread.

That's how I know.

He also referenced Mumsnet throughout the night.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 01/02/2020 23:07

Yeh a lot of women by me were howlinh about the locking women in cars, rape and cunt.
jokes.

I guess I didn't understand the irony. Confused

VaggieMight · 01/02/2020 23:05

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fessmess2 · 01/02/2020 23:04

Saw him in the autumn. Cried with laughter.

Barracker · 01/02/2020 22:59

I don't know who Stuart Lee is. Googled him and I'm none the wiser.

I am finding it faintly amusing though that he's chosen Ricky TWAW Gervais as his target though.

As far as I can tell, having vehemently denied that certain, specific chaps were actually women when demanding ballwaxing or entry to women's sports,
Gervais' latest stance became something akin to OF COURSE TWAW, although only the most gentlemanly of men were allowed to be women obviously.
Or something.

I'm thinking there's perhaps a scale of gentlemanly behaviour where you accidentally foxtrot past the point of no return to find you've mistakenly entered womanhood.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 01/02/2020 22:55

And Stewart's been reading this thread.

Women's rights are so low brow though.

I saw Ben Elton earlier this year and he gets it. He gets feminism and why women's rights need protecting.

I have watched all.of Stweart's shows on TV and was a real fan, but I found tonight's show appalling in terms of the rape jokes and women hating.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 01/02/2020 22:52

Just seen his show and I can confirm that his scathing of Mumsnet users was peppered in between jokes about rape, Ricky Gervais' transgenderism and right wing suburbia who don't understand 'unisex' toilets or 'gender' (I think you mean mixed sex and sex).

The audience was two woke males per female and I found him worse than the Bernard Manning character this so called progressive Guardianista parodies.

I'm so disappointed that he's just another misogynist that believes he has the right to give away my rights and to joke about rape.

pachyderm · 01/02/2020 22:24

I've never found him funny. Smug, didactic and like some kind of ghost of Ben Elton from 1984. Except at the time Ben Elton and the Comic Strip people really were in opposition and going against the grain. Stewart Lee is just establishment.

puds11 · 01/02/2020 21:43

Find him 🤦‍♀️

puds11 · 01/02/2020 21:42

My husband watches his stand up. I have never found him either funny or interesting. I find too contrived.

Ricky Gervais seems more natural but I don’t like him either.

Give me Ross Noble any day!

donquixotedelamancha · 01/02/2020 21:39

His dig at Ricky Gervais was over-long and far too laboured

Does he have any 'jokes' which are not tortuously overworked? That's his thing.

I really love him but it's not going to be most people's humour. No surprise if he's uberwoke, but he's not preaching and he's very aware of his own smugliberalmetropolianeliteness.

FlamingoAndJohn · 01/02/2020 20:31

It seems that most comedians don’t like Gervais. He’s done very well and it’s much more popular to kick up than kick down.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 01/02/2020 20:11

They probably have the same additional material writers.