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March of the thought police Harry Miller

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 06:45

There is a great article in the DM about Harry Miller's case. The article describes the CPS' pivotal role in pursuing hate incidents which are not crimes. It questions whether these investigations are a legitimate use of police resources when police are failing to investigate crimes like burglary and rape cases rarely reach prosecution. It discusses the inherently problematic nature of the subjective interpretation of non crime incidents and identifies the fact that police guidelines were influenced by transgender lobby groups. The fact that the police are spending time pursuing individuals on Twitter for crime non crimes should concern everyone concerned with freedom of speech and how it is being threatened by the new totalitarians.

^I have broad shoulders, but this fight is hard. If ordinary people like myself don't stand up against what I see as over-reaching authority by the police,
who will?^

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 16:09

Thank you HandsOffMyLang
I think the fact this is getting prominent coverage in the media is quite significant. There has been a confluence of various events, all of which highlight the insidious advance of an increasingly authoritarian agenda. The Telegraph is running several articles a week about the suppression of freedom of speech within academia, Julie Bindel writes in The Spectator and the DM is reporting on the Harry Miller case. Douglas Murray weaves the threads together and the picture is crystal clear. Despite all attempts at distraction......

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BlueHarry · 01/02/2020 16:00

Are there any other kinds incidents which get logged but as non-crimes?

I can imagine it happens (or should) for some incidents which alone may not be criminal but are part of a larger pattern of criminal behaviour - I'm thinking of things like domestic abuse, antisocial neighbours, stalking.

Binterested · 01/02/2020 15:17

Also he can think what he likes. He can think literally anything. Thoughts are not crimes.

Some people think Owen Jones is the Prince of Peace. Wrong but not a crime requiring a visit from the police.

Melioration · 01/02/2020 15:11

Squirrel!

(Didn’t there used to be a poster called NoSquirrels Grin )

Languishingfemale · 01/02/2020 14:55

Quick quick..... look over there...... Grin

andyoldlabour · 01/02/2020 14:53

snowblight

Post a link to the tweets then, cheers.

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 14:45

Nope. I am not going to trawl through Twitter. The onus is on you to substantiate your accusation And even if you can? It will not distract from the central issues raised by his case

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snowblight · 01/02/2020 14:41

Provide proof of your accusation

Have a look on Twitter yourself. They've been widely shared

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 14:36

snowblight

The bait switch stunt isn't working. The police have investigated 87,000 non crimes while failing to investigate real crimes Any comments
on that? I know you are desperate to smear Harry Miller, but the existential threat to freedom of speech has centre stage irrespective of your attempt to distract attention. By the way? Provide proof of your accusation Because unsubstantiated smears are beyond tedious.

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Binterested · 01/02/2020 14:25

Snow I think you’ve deliberatelymissed the whole point of the thread. Harry doesn’t stand for me. He is a person who has a right to speak in an ordinary way about anything at all without having the police at his door to check his thinking. Support anyone you like - it’s not a crime (yet)

snowblight · 01/02/2020 14:21

Does the article mention Harry's tweets in support of Tommy Robinson?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 01/02/2020 14:18

Thank you both...and that was absolute dynamite.

Lang is wonderfully articulate...god, I miss her.

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 14:16

The Scotland yard numbers are only part of the story The main event is 87,000 non crime incidents investigated by 27 police forces in 5 years. While investigations into actual crimes plummet.

More than 87,000 ‘non-crime hate incidents’ have been recorded by 27 forces in England and Wales over the past five years, when the national policing body introduced its Hate Crime Operational Guidelines

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Coyoacan · 01/02/2020 13:29

The maths is correct,

Scotland Yard, which now has a staggering 900 hate crime officers, has chalked up the highest number — 9,473 over the past five years

This means each officer has reported 2 hate incidents a year.

I've worked with some unproductive people in my life, but that takes the biscuit.

You really would think they might have some time left over to investigate misogyny, wouldn't you?

I do hope the judge in the Harry Millar case has led a blameless life. I remember reading that the whips in the House of Commons knew about all the paedophilia going on and used it to control the MPs involved.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 01/02/2020 13:05

Great posts Bovary

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 12:22

It's just so ludicrous. Report a non crime without need to give any evidence of whether it happened or not. Or tell a third party as in Harry's case. Taking the issue to Judicial Review was very much needed to get this issue into the spotlight

Ludicrous is the word. The Telegraph obtained this information through a FOI request. The sub rosa tactics of lobbyists mean many people do not know what is happening. The media has been somnabulant and The Guardian et al don't even bother to report 'problematic' news. But Harry's case has caused parts of the fourth estate to wake up. About time.

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Mockers2020Vision · 01/02/2020 12:20

Non-Crime, but a Hate Incident.

Two things about a hate incident:

  • There doesn't need to be any hate.
  • There doesn't need to be any incident.

The "incident" is the reporting of the incident, which creates the thing it describes like a magical incantation.

TheShoesa · 01/02/2020 12:16

It's just so ludicrous. Report a non crime without need to give any evidence of whether it happened or not. Or tell a third party as in Harry's case.

Taking the issue to Judicial Review was very much needed to get this issue into the spotlight.

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 12:15

But without any evidence that any of them actually happened

More to the point, these incidents are not crimes Why are the police investigating non crimes whilst failing to investigate actual crimes?

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Mockers2020Vision · 01/02/2020 12:11

87,000 non crime incidents have been logged

But without any evidence that any of them actually happened.

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TheShoesa · 01/02/2020 12:09

But having encouraged people to report non hate incidents which they can use to boost their figures, police forces can then say that it is justified to divert resources into following them up. And that the new guidance going into schools is needed.

Another drip, drip, drip of forcing the point

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 12:08

The staggering statistic below is from The Telegraph

More than 87,000 ‘non-crime hate incidents’ have been recorded by 27 forces in England and Wales over the past five years, when the national policing body introduced its Hate Crime Operational Guidelines

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BovaryX · 01/02/2020 12:06

the police officers logged 2 hate incidents each/year

False. 87,000 non crime incidents have been logged Over 5 years.

Since the catch-all guidance was released, police forces have recorded at least 87,000 non-crime hate incidents — none of which break the law

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Thingybob · 01/02/2020 11:51

Someone in the comments has done the maths "So 900 police officers have statistically solved 2 hate crimes each per year according to the police figures? But mugging and burglary can't be investigated because we don't have enough officers"

Someone misread the article, no crimes were solved, the police officers logged 2 hate incidents each/year.