Teen with Aspergers convicted of transgender hate crime, he asked is that a boy or a girl.

Is there an avenue by which a member of the public can appeal too harsh a sentence in the same way they can an unduly lenient one?

I think this is absolutely fucking disgusting behaviour from the PCSO and head-to-table stupidity from the criminal justice system. I wonder how the autistic young person who's been criminalised and punished for 'talking while autistic' feels about leaving the house/existing now? What a load of absolute shit. The lot of them should be ashamed of themselves.

I don’t think someone that sensitive would cope well with match day, let alone a terror attack.

If you are trans and make a special trip to punch a 60 year old woman in the face, then you get a £150 fine.

If you are an autistic teenager and say words that upset a trans PCSO, then you get a £590 fine plus community service.

I have to say, if that PCSO has a breakdown over a teenager being rude, then how the hell are they going to cope with, say, a riot, or a terrorist incident, or indeed anything at all that isn't entirely focused on them and their feelings?

IMHO take the fact of Asperger's out of it. It's an appalling judgement regardless.

Otherwise you are implying the judgement would have been correct if the shouter-of-words was neurotypical.

Police officers take a lot of verbal abuse - comments about race, religion, gender, threats of violence, etc. If this PCSO can’t handle rude comments then perhaps policing is not the career for them, as this undoubtedly won’t be the last time someone says something offensive.

Absolutely.

I was also wondering if the boy denied it because they weren’t the exact words he used. BIL has ASD and would absolutely deny any accusation if even the tiniest detail was incorrect. It wouldn’t matter to him what that detail was, it could be tiny and insignificant to the bigger picture, but his ASD would mean he was utterly incapable of admitting anything if it wasn’t a 100% perfect rendition of what had happened.

Yet another example of the Sacred Caste.

And they said it was worse because it happened where there were a lot of people about, making it more traumatic.
Do they have a fucking clue why some women avoid places when there aren’t a lot of people about. ffs.
So tired of the double standards. Well in this case, considering the teenager involved, triple standards. There just doesn’t seem to be enough room for more Sacred Castes.

Could be echolalia, which is why they have no memory of it.

Fucks sake. Disability or what?

Imagine how empty the streets would be after 9pm if they imposed a curfew on young men who shout the far far far worse stuff at young girls and women every single day.

Yes imagine.

If the teenager literally yelled "is it boy or is it a girl?" (2x) as reported: that's a line - repeated a few times - from the Donovan song "Rules and Regulations (I had to look up the title) - circa 1968.

Seems possible (given the Aspergers) that he may have heard this somewhere and remembered it - parents or grandparents may be fans? - and didn't realise the repercussions of coming out with it in public at a very inappropriate time.

'Is it a boy or is it a girl?'

I'd have hoped that a PCSO would be neither, but an adult who behaved like one.

Yes I do have insight into the law, and that sex based verbal abuse towards women is not a hate crime.

So no it would not have ended up in court.

snowblight I can only assume you have missed the part where the alleged perpetrator is autistic, a recognised condition the core feature of which is a difficulty with social understanding. I work with autistic people and making unguarded comments which could be interpreted as rude is part of the disability for some young autistic people. For example, telling someone they need to lose weight or their hair is a horrible texture or, indeed, seeking to clarify if the person they are looking at is male or female where that is ambiguous.

If there were a thread on here where an autistic person had been fined and given a curfew for asking someone if they were black or mixed race I would have a similar opinion. You cannot expect autistic teens to not make social errors. If they didn't, they wouldn't be autistic.

And homophobic charge.

www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/18146529.gay-slur-directed-police-officer/

So yes it does appear that in this case the sentence is harsher.

The law is ridiculous. The CPS is ridiculous. The PCSO is utterly ridiculous and needs to get a grip. The word of the day is, “ridiculous”.

Another thread where the only reason an incident is being picked apart and belittled is because the person involved was trans.

That certainly isn't true of my comments, or many others. Have you read nothing of the actual discussion? Does the text of the linked public order statute and the way it's being used here not concern you at all?

Limiting the ability of the police to act capriciously is far more important to defend the powerless than the powerful. Nothing about this judgment helps those with gender dysphoria.

If the 'victim' was a woman, it would have gone no further, she probably wouldn't have even made a complaint.

I'm glad you have such remarkable, generalising insight.

If the 'victim' was a woman, it would have gone no further, she probably wouldn't have even made a complaint.

The sex-based verbal abuse that women & girls receive is not reportable as a Hate Crime.

(aside from the pilot project in Notingham)

Much less for racial aggravation and drunk and disorderly.

www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18131584.drunk-pontypool-woman-racially-abused-police-officer/

That was a simple Google away.

Snowblight what? A hate crime on a similar scale of a mildly upsetting comment? Do give your head a wobble and stop being so ridiculous. Goady AF.

Yes, I really believe you'd have a thread dismissing it if the victim was a woman rather than a trans man.

snowblight there are many women, parents, carers, teachers & governors concerned with CPS decision making.

current threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3804613-New-Year-New-Judicial-Review-CPS-Hate-Crime-Guidance-for-schools

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3807965-Good-news-re-filming-partner-without-consent