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So apparently Starbucks have ‘partnered’ with mermaids

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Kenworthington · 29/01/2020 13:57

So the manager of my local one told me today. She looked aghast when I said I didn’t agree with it then as I started explaining, she had to take a drive through order. We had been chatting about my eldest ds being gay and she obv thought I’d approve of this collaboration. Hah. . I’m thinking of writing down where I stand on it and passing it to her. I take my elderly mum in there every day for a coffee and pastry. Not any more. Sigh. I hate thats it’s made me ‘that’ person

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Luckystar777 · 05/02/2020 21:29

I saw the ad yesterday Angry

I have no words.

Lordfrontpaw · 05/02/2020 13:08

Screenshot fodder perhaps?

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 05/02/2020 13:06

Weird posts recently from certain people who keep declaring that ‘we’ should do something

I don’t take orders from randoms off the internet, how about you?

stillathing · 05/02/2020 12:35

Living in London I dread to think how many Starbucks I could call "local".

But yes interesting point about their customer demographics. Absolutely not for the coffee snobs! One of my locals seems to mainly have older people in it. The other coffee shops are the artisan type and packed with young people and mothers with buggies. In Starbucks branches nearer schools I often see loads of teens in the afternoon. They do a huge range of extremely sweet & calorific non coffee drinks that are surely designed to appeal to kids. Promoting Mermaids to this demographic is worrying as many kids will have also received ideologically biased training in school.

Lordfrontpaw · 05/02/2020 07:42

People won’t know what they are buying unless it is blazed across the packaging. Tell people - I have - and let them choose where to spend their money.

This takes me back to my student days. But then it was boycott companies who invested in the apartheid, or sold sub standard products to the poor in developing countries. Now it’s this.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/02/2020 01:59

What does the core Starbucks demographic in the UK look like? Where I live it's mostly people who don't like coffee all that much (because there are tons of artisanal hipster blah blah alternatives, as well as better chains both small and large) so are ordering their coffee milkshake things with 27 ingredients, or people who're looking for free wifi and a place to work for a while. It's sort of the place you go when every other alternative is shut or too far to get to. Is it mostly the kind of woke young people who would tend to approve of Mermaids anyway? Is it older adults? In order to put together an effective pushback we'd need to know who to target, ie. what does the customer group Starbucks would most like to retain look like?

traceyracer · 05/02/2020 01:30

Mermaids is a harmful charity to children who are far to young to have a "sex change".

We should mass complain to Starbucks.

Lordfrontpaw · 04/02/2020 22:27

...And money goes to mermaids.

Call yourself what you like.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 04/02/2020 22:25

I'm with @saraclara on this one - I've just watched the advert, I'm not sure what exactly is wrong with it?
There's no safeguarding concerns, he's a transman just going into a coffee shop and saying his name?

Lordfrontpaw · 04/02/2020 21:36

So 50p per gruesome biscuit is donated.

I suggest everyone takes a nice shiny 50p and donated it to something good.

Lordfrontpaw · 04/02/2020 21:24

Glad you liked it @OhHolyJesus. 5 years at art school paid off eventually...

Lordfrontpaw · 04/02/2020 21:23

Back in my day, out CSR was staff going to local schools to read to the kids, buying local kids sports team new T-shirt’s, supplying the prizes for a chess tournament, encouraging staff to GAYE (give as you earn), having a benevolent society, getting staff to ‘adopt a pensioner’ (yes really)...

OhHolyJesus · 04/02/2020 21:21

I like your version Lord and here's another alternative.

content warning*

please do not watch if you don't like post surgery images.

Kit19 · 04/02/2020 21:18

Charities have been partnering with corporates for years Blid but there’s been a definite push over the last 10 years from corporates to be far more front and centre in the partnerships. It’s no longer enough to donate behind the scenes or sponsor a ball or do some pro bono legal stuff. They want big adverts so they can write about how caring they are in the Corporate Social responsibility bit of their annual report. I would be 99% certain that Starbucks paid for that advert

OldCrone · 04/02/2020 21:14

If I didn't know that there was a subtext about sterilising children, I'd think that ad was just about a young woman who doesn't like her name, so she changes it.

Lordfrontpaw · 04/02/2020 21:11

Wonder how much the ad cost?

BlindYeoSees · 04/02/2020 21:10

Is this also a new thing by charities? Slight tangent but I heard adverts on the radio recently talkinga about loneliness and it was PG Tips advertising their partnership with Samaritans.

Not sure I'm fond of this new trend.

NeurotrashWarrior · 04/02/2020 20:59

Every name's a story ... the story of mastectomies and sterilisation?

Lordfrontpaw · 04/02/2020 20:47

So why not have:

Inside a local Starbucks, Anytown, Middle Englandshire.

It’s raining.

A cute barista steams his mugs and wipes down the foam nozzle on the coffee frother thingy.

Sad, slow plinky plonky/lily allen music plays.

The door opens

A young woman/girl - with cropped hair, rugby ball under her arm and a large spot at bag in the other steps inside and looks around.

Her team lost, and she is feeling sad.

Soggy, cold and caked in mud, her front tooth is missing.

She looks like she might stink a bit too.

She goes up to the counter and pauses.

What can I get you, young man?
Ummmm, errrr can I have a hot chocolate please?
Certainly sir - what’s the name?
“Jessica” thanks!

Music picks up, Jessica grins (tooth still missing) and picks up her hot chocolate.

Cup may say Jessica, Billy or D* (I’ve not yet decided how it’s going to go).

And cut - it’s a wrap.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2020 20:07

Corporates understand you when your family doesn’t ?

Glitter family, innit.

Binterested · 04/02/2020 20:03

Gender non conforming girls are actually boys ?

People called Gemma should not look like that ?

Corporates understand you when your family doesn’t ?

No it’s all fine by meHmm And that’s before we get onto the grotesque horror of promoting the surgical transing of children.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2020 20:01

Horizon is more about new developments in science. The Cook Report?

Lordfrontpaw · 04/02/2020 19:48

Horizon? I’m thinking 70s and 90s.

saraclara · 04/02/2020 19:46

I thought the feminist branch wasn't anti-trans, but just concerned for women's rights?

Can I ask what you think is wrong with that advert? It seems fine to me. I didn't see any mention of Mermaids on it. The story itself is simple and surely uncontroversial...assuming you're not transphobic?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/02/2020 19:40

Oh no - I didn’t mean by C4 (heaven forbid). I miss Panorama and what was the other one?

Dispatches? That is C4.