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Prof Kathleen Stock GMB

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HandsOffMyLangCleg · 29/01/2020 08:52

Freedom of Speech.

Just turned on to GMB to catch the end of a discussion between the brilliant Prof Stock, President? of the Students' Union, Piers and Susannah.

I think the debate stated around 8.40 for those who want to watch on Plus 1 and ITV player.

I only caught a bit (and my signal was breaking up), during which Prof Stock was discussing self ID and the restrictions and consequences on discussing this issue on campus.

Naturally, the SU man was being woke.

Good to see this on mainstream TV.

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statsgeek1 · 31/01/2020 18:38

I don't believe that trans women should be given free reign to take part in women's sports as it stands based on just testosterone levels. With our medical capabilities surely muscle mass, cardiovascular efficiency with respect to red blood cell count and endocrine levels are all capable of being measure to ensure as level a playing field as possible. That said sport has never been fair so there are likely other points of view. I do believe that there will come a time particularly in the case of a young trans person (puberty blockers and early transition) that it will become something in certain very limited situations that is difficult to argue against.

Even so I wish they would stop trotting out young people generally ill equipped students to argue points against established professors and well known media figures. When PM said trans women 'are' dominating women's sport that went completely unchallenged. I'm not denying that a few trans women are winning some titles and perhaps adding an element of unfairness but, the word 'domination' sort of leaves the viewer thinking of a Usain Bolt, Manchester Utd of the late 90's early 2000's level of domination. Perhaps that was the idea.

MoleSmokes · 31/01/2020 01:03

Thank you to those who managed to pick out the phrase "Intergenerational Unkindness" Hmm from everyone talking at the same time!

Yet another woke weapon in the armoury of the witch-hunters but surely one that will blow up in their faces?

This sort of "Intergenerational Unkindness"??

"Punch a Granny" Poem by Maria McLachlan - parody of Iris Child's poem "fuck some terfs up":

Prof Kathleen Stock GMB
Prof Kathleen Stock GMB
DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 30/01/2020 09:22

And WTF does kindness have to do with free speech anyway?

BlouseAndSkirt · 30/01/2020 09:08

(Aka usual ageist shit)

BlouseAndSkirt · 30/01/2020 09:07

I think he is just trying to use big words to say ‘OK Boomer’.

EverardDigby · 30/01/2020 08:27

Intergenerational unkindness seems to miss the point that a significant number of the transitioners are middle aged men with female partners and kids.

BlouseAndSkirt · 30/01/2020 03:02

“Mr Riaz said: “I don’t know where this intergenerational unkindness comes from.

“But it is permeating our society.

“The likes of Piers and Kathleen are spearheading it.” “

As if Prof Stock and Piers M are of a kind. Let me know when Kathleen uses the premise of free speech to do a ‘version’ of a Chinese language on national TV.

He may have no truck with TRA censorship but he is hardly the voice of equality!

Dolorabelle · 29/01/2020 21:23

My god the body language on that young man - masculinist arrogance anyone?

RummidgeGeneral · 29/01/2020 18:46

Interesting clip. Thanks

Socrates11 · 29/01/2020 18:39

Great to see the clip thanks DuLANG.

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HandsOffMyLangCleg · 29/01/2020 15:32

Thanks for the clips.

Kathleen is always so calm and measured even in the face of intergenerational unkindness, displayed by woke willied wallies at university who continue to threaten, doxx and silence women.

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DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 29/01/2020 13:10

Effective. Even.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 29/01/2020 13:09

It’s a shame she didn’t get more air time but that she was calm and not talking over others made the time she had very affective.

BovaryX · 29/01/2020 12:56

DuLang
Cheers for the link. Kathleen Stock is very good and I am pleased to see she called him out for that deliberate attempt to associate her with racists and sexists His denial was laughable. She's got it nailed about outrage culture and how it threatens critical thinking, individuality and freedom of thought.

Goosefoot · 29/01/2020 12:47

I know people who claim that deplatforming is about protecting free speech as well. They see it as similar to controlling fake news or propaganda.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 29/01/2020 12:46

m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ_qC8ZZXUc

GMB are good at adding YouTube clips of each segment, usually on day of broadcast.

Mockers2020Vision · 29/01/2020 12:39

Intergenerational Unkindness would be closing down the bank of Mum & Dad.

BovaryX · 29/01/2020 12:36

I didn't see this, but based on the snippet from HandsoffmyLang once again, we can see the same tactics used by the #no debate fanatics. An immediate accusation of racism, in this case an attempt to associate Kathleen with racists and sexists. This is deployed quickly, often it's the opening gambit. The aim of this tawdry technique
is to distract attention from the idea being discussed and focus it on the character of the speaker and to warn anyone watching that they too will be vilified unless they keep their mouths shut.

LayAllYourLoveOnMe · 29/01/2020 11:35

oohooh me please!

"unkind"

women must be kind.....

Cascade220 · 29/01/2020 10:19

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ahagwearsapointybonnet · 29/01/2020 10:01

He said "Society is moving forward" I think. And Doc Stock said that discussing ideas was not the same as making personal insults (or words to that effect). That's just from the clip, not watched the whole thing yet but will try to later. Looks like Dr Stock did well, but I hope she got more chance to speak/be heard in the rest of it though, too much being drowned out by men in that clip!

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HandsOffMyLangCleg · 29/01/2020 09:52

Let's try that again...

Intergenerational unkindness

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HandsOffMyLangCleg · 29/01/2020 09:51

Some snippets, typed in as I watched..

The City Uni SU young man talked of
"The lived experiences"

Minority students and free speech

Piers: "TG athletes are dominating female sports."

SU male: "Once upon a time we wouldn't cancel racists or misogynists..."

He adds: "Moving forward...
Freedom of speech

Dr Stock "There's confusion between discussion ideas with personalised debate.."

SU male: "inter generational unkindness Kathleen is spearheading this"

Inntergenerational.unkindness

Oh dear, he really is lost...Confused

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LayAllYourLoveOnMe · 29/01/2020 09:43

sidetrack here but does anyone have the username "langcleg way to tipperary" yet?

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HandsOffMyLangCleg · 29/01/2020 09:42

On ITV +1 now

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