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Vocal fry

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HarryHarry · 28/01/2020 15:43

I recently came across the term in an article about how women undermine themselves by speaking in a certain way and I was curious about why we do this and what we can do to change it.

I know for a fact that I speak differently when I speak to certain people, in part to stop them interrupting and to check that they’re still listening, but also to avoid coming across as cold and unfriendly. When I have experimented with speaking in my real voice, which is deeper and flatter and less expressive, I have found that people - especially men - have responded negatively, calling me stuck-up, rude and aggressive. They seem to treat me much better when they think I am a young, weak and timid little girl.

The reason I’m thinking about this is that since having children, I’ve become more aware of how strong women are, and how the patriarchy has been set up to make us think otherwise. I am now less willing to make myself smaller to make men feel bigger. But I also don’t want to be perceived as a bitch and I don’t want all my encounters with other people to be negative.

Does anybody have any thoughts?

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RoyalCorgi · 28/01/2020 16:20

IMO we should leave women alone
The way they talk is just another way to criticise them

I'm with you on that. Women are always doing something or other wrong. If it's not the way they look it's the way they sound. When I was young, there was a widespread consensus that women couldn't be newsreaders because people didn't like the higher pitch of women's voices.

It's all such bollocks.

Nojeansplease · 28/01/2020 16:20

If a woman uses a higher register to speak, then it's classified as ditzy, valley-girl uptalk. If a woman uses her lower register, it's vocal fry. If she speaks in the middle (modal range), her words often get lost entirely.

Just another way we can’t win!

Op I’m sorry that’s your experience
I am a manager to many men and find the same thing
Ditsy school girl gives me no authority but they’ll do what I want
Anything other than that sees me as bossy or a bitch

Read the book - nice girls don’t get the corner office

nauticant · 28/01/2020 16:16

It's a blissful ignorance thing. A year ago I was unaware, but since becoming aware I now can't miss it and I'm continually grinding my teeth when I have a sense that someone is putting on such a voice.

Nojeansplease · 28/01/2020 16:16

Here is an article from 2015 theconversation.com/keep-an-eye-on-vocal-fry-its-all-about-power-status-and-gender-45883

General consensus from many studies is that
young Women like it
Everyone else hates it - when it’s used by young women

The deep voice etc gives authority to everyone else but is annoying in young women

IMO we should leave women alone
The way they talk is just another way to criticise them

Childrenofthestones · 28/01/2020 16:09

"S'funny but it's hard to put into words exactly why it's so irritating."

Possibly because it is so put on and not natural, or certainly not natural in this country.

HorseWithNoLangCleg · 28/01/2020 15:51

Partner and I both hate vocal fry. (Almost as much as the ubiquitous glottal-stop.) We were blissfully unaware of VF until someone mentioned it about a year ago on this very board. Now it seems all over the place. S'funny but it's hard to put into words exactly why it's so irritating.

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