Feel like I'm shouting into a void.

I believe the correct expression is either ‘ach, yer talkin’ shite’ or ‘bollocks’.

There are believed to be 200k-500k trans people in the UK.

In 2018, there were 6,000 suicides of all people, nationwide.

If 47% of trans people were committing suicide, they'd represent nearly every suicide case out there. There's no way to add up lifespan numbers to reach any other conclusion.

There is not a significantly larger proportion of actual (as opposed to self-reported attempted) suicide in the trans population than, say, the white male population at large. If there were, you'd literally see them every day. The occasional reports of trans suicides we actually see would jibe very closely with the national overall rate of 10-15 per 100,000 people, if it's in the neighborhood of 20-75 trans suicides in the UK per year. Even if you assume there's massive underreporting, there's not that level of underreporting of suicides overall.

You've got us Fatty. Xx

This 47% trans suicide myth really needs challenging.

It's a shame you blocked them before calling them out. It's simply not true.
But sorry you had to go through that.

My own brother said I was "like a racist" because not wanting transwomen in women's spaces IS EXACTLY THE SAME as not wanting black people in women's spaces.

You definitely need space after that sort of thing.

OP I’m so sorry

I thought you were going to say real life

I have a friend who “acknowledges the difficulties” for victims but still thinks all this change is great. She said “we can’t base planning on the idea that people might break the law”.

We are still friends but it’s been a lot of compromise on both sides.

i've had similar from twitter randoms but i can't imagine how painful this must be from real life friends.

console yourself with the fact they are not very clever or empathic. there are better friends to be found out there.

i hope you can find yourself some support for everything else as well. it sounds like you are dealing with a lot right now.

That post is crazy, they are obviously not very coherent thinkers and have believed a lot of untruths. 47%, that seems obviously bollocks, I don't know why someone would not check that.

The most rational core of what they are saying, I think is, to what extent can individuals personal experiences dictate or direct public policy on rights issues for others. In itself that is a reasonable question that doesn't mean individuals experiences don't matter. They have already fully bought into the idea that TWAW and should have all the rights other women do. They are arguing in a circle but this is a very common mistake, a lot o people do tis without realising it. But if that is their starting point they will inevitably see any attempt to restrict TW from toilets as wrong. We wouldn't say for example, that a woman who had a traumatic experience of assault from another woman should be allowed to go into the mens toilets, because that would infringe on the rights of the men to privacy. They are seeing this as similar.

More and more I think that what needs to be challenged for these people to "get it" is the medical/scientific basis of their assumptions about gender identity and sex.

I used to share female spaces quite happily with transexuals before the great TWAW brainwashing/ MRA campaign got regulatory capture left right and centre. Never had an issue. But things have changed hugely and transgenderism is very different to old school transexualism.

I always got the idea the latter felt honoured to be welcomed into female spaces and that they knew following acceptable social norms and quietly fitting in was a big part of showing respect for that honorary status given by the more vulnerable sex to select members of the stronger. How times have changed.

I'm so sorry, OP. It's happened to me as well - people I really loved and valued.

When this shit fully hits the fan there are going to be a lot of embarrassed women with apologies to make.

Cross post. Very sorry indeed to hear about your other issues. Flashbacks are a horrendous thing. Glad you are getting some support put in place. Well done you for being amazingly strong and resilient in the face of adversity. Your kids are lucky to have you.

Yes@GoosesGeeses and with all the predatory-men-turned-transwomen who feature in the crime sections daily. Which will probably be enough to get my post deleted.

I get that lots of people - luckily for them - don’t understand what it’s like to live in fear after rape. How it curtails your happiness, freedom, future. How your flight or fight is constantly engaged and a seemingly minor thing such as unexpectedly encountering a man in a bathroom - or any enclosed or isolated space, as bathrooms often are - can be truly terrifying.

I understand they don’t get it and try to have some patience with that. I’m glad they don’t know. But what really really fecks me off is when people cannot bother for one second to TRY to understand in return what living like that must be like, and just say ‘it’s not a big deal’ or as in your case ‘your argument is null and void’.

Also very interested in where they have got the notion that sexual assault doesn’t take place in public spaces at any sort of concerning rate. Personally and professionally I beg to differ.

I see that "47% of trans people commit suicide" lie is still circulating.

Apart from being a vicious thing to say; it shows a lack in critical thinking because those 'statistics' are just batshit, aren't they.

Goodness your 'friends' sound awful. At least you see them for who they are now.

The worst that happened to me was i got told how terribly vulnerable transwomen are and then unfriended when i challenged their stats.

your argument is null and void

Fuck those absolute raging asshats. Well done on blocking them.