Feel like I'm shouting into a void.

@tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz

That stat ... did I read correctly that it was based on 27 people? So a very thorough and far reaching study?

Not only that; it was based upon a self-selecting survey, with a prize draw as a carrot, with a warning that if you completed it more than once you wouldn't get two entries. No other protection against people doing just that, using different emails. And the vast bulk of the responses weren't from young trans people at all. Yet it's now used as a solid statistic in all manner of serious reports. A bit like the rape statistic, which conflates lesbians and transwomen and then says the statistical risk of lesbians is that of trans.

And we have around 600 suicides a year in the UK. It's a terrible loss in every case, but in a population of 62,000,000, I don't think that's an epidemic.

When people say 47% of trans people kill themselves, they have to believe that even if nobody who isn't trans ever does, there are still only 1200 trans people in the country. It's just stupidity writ large.

It's also a recognised fact that telling teenagers they are at additional risk of suicide increases their risk, whether originally true or not. How awfully responsible. GIDS stress that it's wholly untrue and they see the levels they'd expect given the other factors. They said it is harmful to the reslience of the children they see to make that claim, which they do not recognise as correct.

The bullshit spouted in support of these sweeping legal changes - changes that have huge impact on women's rights, freedoms and provision - is just extraordinary. If the case is so compelling, then why the need to lie?

If anyone were to invite you to a gathering in a loo you'd probably steer clear TBF Or actually still be age 9!

yes, 9! And The Sun pitches it at 8!!

I've never been to a public gathering in a loo yet. I've been at gatherings at venues that have a loo but never had a meeting in one.

"bathrooms are public gathering spaces" - gosh that former friend of your is the Brain of Britain, eh?

Parks are public gathering places. Bathrooms, surely, are places with private facilities in which to deal with human biological functions.

Was that me being garbled? sorry - I was rather irritated!

So they check the language used on the NHS website so that it is easy to understand (so now uses words like pee and poo) as they are aiming at the reading age of a 9-year-old and trying to make it accessible to non-natiove English speakers.

Now, have the NHS been circulating items with euphemistic works for 'women' that even native speakers with an adult reading age find bloody confusing?

Average reading age of 9?? I can't believe that. I mentioned it to DH but he (smarty pants) knew that.

And another thing... I was listening to the radio yesterday (R4 Rosenthals show) and they were discussing the language used on the NHS website and how/why it is changed so that people understand what is being said.

Now please bear in mind that some NHS literature has been neglecting to use the word 'women' (as in 'uterus havers') and the woman yesterday had the cheek to say that since the average reading age in the UK is 9 (yes, 9 years old, not even Year 9) and some readers have English as a foreign language, they need to make language very simple.

Whaaaaat?

My son is absolutely singing off the same hymn sheet, despite the best efforts of the school in allowing some of the more irritating people spouting nonsense being invited in to talk to the pupils. Protocol says that they aren't allowed to interrupt or heckle - I would have a stroke! The teacher in charge of booking the 'turns' must wonder why I give him daggars every time I see him.

Unless it's a strategy to allow speakers to give themselves enough rope...

NotTerf
That stat ... did I read correctly that it was based on 27 people? So a very thorough and far reaching study?

But yes OP, I'm sorry for that message. Well done for putting your head above the parapet though that takes lady balls .---- At least you know who's a misogynist in your circle.

People who are breaking their necks to be cool and 'inclusive' (shudder) arent thinking about real-life instances - only the highly emotive (dubious) stats on suicide, and 'isn't is terrible that these poor people...'

I have only come across 2 like this in real life. One is single and has no kids or nieces and tries very hard to be cool and Mr Laidback.

The other is an absolute 'Momentum' Corbyn lover - I usually avoid politics as I was brought up in a very old school labour (fairness for all) and don't recognise this lot - but I mentioned in passing when the gymnastics association stated that they would allow male children to change with females - and compete against the girls.

I wasn't making a point (as I haven't the strength) but it obviously clicked as he has a little girl and he is religious these days. He now gets that single-sex spaces are important and that some people - golly-gee-gosh - have bad intentions.

That's disgusting. My heart goes out to you HerRoyalFattyness.

Jeez

Solidarity, Royal!

It is indeed fucking shit.

Your son sounds lovely royal.

I had a similar experience in school and it's terrifying me that my DD will be in a bathroom with boys as old as 18.

I would hate for it to impact her in the way that she will start to not want to go to school when she has her period, but at the same time completely understand why she might feel that way.

According to my ex friends, children wanting single sex spaces in school only feel that way because their parents are bigots.

It's really worrying and upsetting to think that young girls themselves could feel they are wrong for wanting single sex spaces because of adults imposing this type of accusation on them.

Before I ever discussed anything GC with my 12 year old, she told me the new layout for her school includes mixed bathrooms and changing rooms. She has many concerns about it, the main one being period related.

So as a child they would be absolutely cool changing/showering after PE with a teenage boy? Sleeping in the same girl guide tent? And they’d be happy for their little girls to change and compete with boys in gymnastics? Lose their place on sports teams? Miss out on sports scholarships?

Yeah, right they would.