Harry Miller in The Times

thank you

I think the judgement is due on the 14th.

Verdict this Friday AFAIK

Has anyone seen any more about this please? I can't find anything.

It is understandable that people express scepticism, but I very much doubt that judges can be got at in the way people suggest. The ruling will be appealable in any case so what is the point?

More likely the judge is busy with other cases, and/or requests for official information have been held up by the seasonal holidays.

Thanks TheShoesea. Honestly, I feel like nothing would surprise me any more. I mean, I thought that judges judge independently. But, really, who knows these days?

Oh well, fingers crossed that this goes in HM's favour. The delay makes me nervous and I can't explain it either.

Mossyrock that was an off the top of my head comment. Like you, I have no idea of the procedure involved. Perhaps 'higher powers' would be better replaced with 'if the judge is being encouraged to find against HM having been pressured behind the scenes, but repeatedly discovers that finding FOR Faircop is in line with the law' or words to that effect. Sorry for the misinformation. There just has to be some reason as to why the judgement is taking so long, Given that the Judge said he hoped to have a verdict before Christmas IIRC.

Seeing as I ageed with what midcenturylegs said: I feel as if it doesn't go in HM's favour it'll be because there has been a lot of political heavy-handed goings-on behind curtains I was trying to guess at why there is such a delay. Or does it ultimately come down to the judge as to what he releases, and when?

Fingers crossed that the delay is because each time the finding in Fair Cop's favour gets rebuffed by higher powers, the law is found to be HM's side and they have to try another approach.

Can this happen? I have no idea of the procedure involved in a judgement. Does the judge have to share the judgement with others higher up before it is pronounced?

The ST also has this today re Rosa Freeman (there may be a more apt thread, if anyone wants to c&p the link)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lawyer-demands-inquiry-into-trans-gag-by-university-nbzf95wsc?shareToken=6aa633778ce9b9b4bd6ee052a6b09a4b

This comment by Unconvinced resonates with me.
"The activists and Universities create ‘safe spaces’ where students can go to ensure they can’t hear others opinions. If you wanted complete and total control over someone, you would stick them in a ‘safe space’ and feed them information. You can tell them whatever you like because they can’t hear any other opinions."

The whole point of university is teaching people how to challenge ideas and search for the truth. People are paying fees to be kept in the dark and fed like mushrooms. That's not university, it's some kind of degree vending machine.

YY callla

It's so unsustainable that police time is being wasted like this when prosecutions for other crimes such as theft and rape have dropped to an all-time low.

I am certain that a certain judge is on the receiving end of numerous attempts to "re educate" him. Maybe the gulag has been threatened?

There is likely to be an appeal whichever way it goes, though, isn't there?

From the live tweeting it seemed so clear cut and the delay is certainly a worry. I do think that if it goes against Fair Cop's case midcentury is right and that it will be due to heavy handed tactics behind closed doors.

Fingers crossed that the delay is because each time the finding in Fair Cop's favour gets rebuffed by higher powers, the law is found to be HM's side and they have to try another approach.

I'm getting worried about the verdict too. This is really pulling at a loose thread, it will unravel so much of the badly thought out hate crime/social cohesion agenda.

clarity about what constitutes crime
Under ECHR, art 7 (part of UK domestic law - HRA):
No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence under national or international law at the time when it was committed.
The law has to be clear.

Bernard I too have been wondering & worrying about the delay to the verdict. I feel as if it doesn't go in HM's favour it'll be because there has been a lot of political heavy-handed goings-on behind curtains.

The ST also has this today re Rosa Freeman (there may be a more apt thread, if anyone wants to c&p the link)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lawyer-demands-inquiry-into-trans-gag-by-university-nbzf95wsc?shareToken=6aa633778ce9b9b4bd6ee052a6b09a4b

The CPS guidelines going into our schools is serious cause for concern - police should not be policing school children's thoughts or discussions. Bloody thought police in our children's schools.

Thanks for the share token, NotBadConsidering.

Absolutely. Have you seen the Triggernometry interview with him? It is superb.

YY. He is very clear and persuasive on Triggernometry. I had absolutely no idea about crime non crime. It's shocking!

Thanks for the link - good to see it in mainstream media at last.
I thought I'd seen it all on here but I'd missed the CPS guidelines

I wonder if it falls into the same hot potato as the results of the GRA Bernard.

it's great that this is getting coverage in the Times

i think the judge said that he might deliver his judgement before xmas, obviously that hasn't happened, i wonder if that signifies anything?