Posie Parker's Illegal Opinions

Thanks for posting this Ereshkigalangcleg 147,462 views.

This is a good video, watching now.

I don't agree with everything that either of them say but I love watching these discussions

98k views in less than a day is remarkable. Which is a tad worrying, because Carl Benjamin is, by his own actions/words, a pretty nasty human being (IMO).

But Posie is having her voice heard on the issues of freedom of speech, and transitioning of children, and the definition of woman, by all those followers of Carl Benjamin, which can surely only be a good thing.

We really need MORE people to stand up in this debate - it can't just be left to the (wonderful) academic feminists like Kathleen Stock and Selina Todd. We need an approach that includes as many people as possible.

“Well, we used to call them pedophiles,” is the stand-out quote from this interview for me. ( Posie describing people who advocate laws permitting children absolutely unrestricted bodily autonomy here). I am not very familiar with the interviewer, but this simple, honest statement certainly seemed to take him aback. It’s a very good point.

98K views now! Pretty impressive and I thought it was a really good, clear video. She didn’t actually say anything which was anything other than common sense
Well done Posie

Is this the same Jane Fae who advocates for extreme pornography?

Where the viewer is supposed to be in doubt as to whether the women have actually suffered real injury to breasts/anus/vagina?

And who wants to lower the legal age of the participants?

That jane Fae?

theflushedzebra, thank you for clarifying.

Of course being male excludes them from being feminists.

Why the hmmm face? That's what Fae said during the interview.

I'm unclear on whether their violent actions or their being male excludes them from being feminists.

DreamPrincess misheard what Fae said - it was a man - not feminists - who threatened to turn up on Fae's doorstep and "chop off their you-know-whats" - Fae then made a joke about it saying 'well, he's be a bit late.'

Gronky. Why the hmmm face? That's what Fae said during the interview.

A man did this, not feminists.

I too would be interested to know if there has ever been a threat of violence from feminists against self-ID supporters

I've never heard of any. Which makes Dreamprincess post about Jane Fae so regrettable. It is unfair to Jane Fae and feminists. Why Dreamprincess can't see the obvious screenshot risks in leaving it standing is very odd. If I had made such an error I'd ask for it to be deleted.

Absolutely happy to condemn all threats of violence from both sides of the debate.

What an odd thing to say, given the context.

I too would be interested to know if there has ever been a threat of violence from feminists against self-ID supporters. @snowblight

DesireesChild

How I love MN! I am now indecent. After living an almost blame free life. I am told off by a Mumsnet contributor. I clutch my pearls.This is the pinnacle of success!! Absolutely fabulous. I lead such a sad an uneventful life I need to be told how to act by a Child. May I say "oh dear, how sad, never mind!" Thank you everyone - you have made my pathetic Saturday evening perfect. Roll on tomorrow …...

That was a really good video. Thanks

My post was a bit harsh but this debate is getting heated generally on both sides. Giving either side the opportunity to screenshot a post like that for future mischief making is not a good idea.

That was really interesting, thank you.

Hyperbole is often counter-productive. It's not vilifying a person to suggest that it's a good idea to check one's facts before posting.

However, I see I am now being vilified for my post by others. Oh woe is me

You are not being "vilified"

You posted an incorrect and potentially defamatory comment. The post is defamatory of Jane Fae because as it isn't what she said it can be read as her trying to discredit feminists.

It is also defamatory of gender critical feminists in the suggestion they might do this.

If you had any decency you would ask for the post to be deleted.

@NorthernNic

Thanks I really appreciate your comment.

However, I see I am now being vilified for my post by others. Oh woe is me. At least I brought it to others' attention who did not hear Nick's interview. Thank goodness some women have abandoned understanding and kindness for a woman safe guarding children. Lang please return.

If I were going to allege that anyone had said something so damning about a group of political/ideological opponents, I'd listen again to the interview when I didn't have any distractions and make absolutely certain I'd heard correctly.

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes,” usually attributed to Mark Twain.

Anyway. I don't like what I know about Carl Benjamin, and I'm sure I wouldn't agree with Posie on many points, but I doubt there is a single person alive on this planet who agrees with me on everything. Talking is important. #nodebate is an appalling slogan. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. So if an interview with Benjamin gets the facts out to a wider audience, I'm all for it, and from what I've seen of the interview (about half so far) it's all factually correct.

Cross posted, sorry Dreamprincess I see you've acknowledged this.

Dreamprincess you are wrong, I can concur with others that is not what Jane said.

A lot of these videos (necessarily) go over the same ground but one particularly appalling nugget from this interview was someone who'd transitioned to female and regretted it as their newly constructed vagina 'stank of faeces' - nobody had warned them about this, and they were considering suicide.

It both provided further illustration oif how (imho) the ideologues behind this much prefer to see life as they'd like it to be and hide away from how it is (and how they make it with such appallingly destructive surgery) and made me feel so sorry for a vulnerable person who'd been enouraged to go down that path only to be left high and dry and with no support once they could serve as an example as to why the ideology is both deeply flawed and completely against the interests of many of those who've tried to transfer it to a physicial reality to their own detriment.

I'm not expecting Mumsnet to turn into the Sargon fan club any time soon but he gives Posie space to make her points and has quite a large following who may not be aware of al the various furores that are frequently discussed here.