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Lang provides so much amazing information to parents on safeguarding you would think MNHQ would want her here. If not it brings in to question whether they are really suitable as a parenting website.

Did Orchid appeal her ban? She was expressing sympathy not sarcasm. It wasn't that long ago now that I think about it and the OP in that thread masqueraded as the mother of a gender dysphoria teenage girl before admitting that it was herself posting.

Where is that roll-call thread?

I remember littlbrown being reinstated and it felt like sense had returned at the time. There is hope then. This has lifted my spirits!

I was deleted because someone interpreted that to mean that I was saying that all trans people were paedophiles

Thing is, it could be someone misinterpreting it that way, but it also could be someone who knew exactly what you meant but saw it as an opportunity to report it as such. It’s hard, because lack of comprehension is as common as zealousness in people who report.

Frequent name changes might prevent you becoming an easy target . Anyone with a long history who is respected is an obvious target.

I think we also need to recognise if we are being targeted.

In a previous name I felt at one point I was being personally baited

Was that the young FTM teen that posted as her mother - they came across as incredibly vulnerable. I felt huge empathy and concern for them too.

Orchid said they felt sorry for the poster and was deleted and subsequently banned.

How could she be banned for saying she felt sorry for someone? There must have been more to it than that.

The orchid ban was bizarre

That sounds similar to one of my deletions happy. I pointed out the potential issue of predatory males pretending to be trans in order to access vulnerable victims and made the comparison with PIE. I was deleted because someone interpreted that to mean that I was saying that all trans people were paedophiles.

It's interesting how many people want us to stop talking about how predators infiltrate popular movements in order to access victims. What sort of person would want to stop us talking about such things?

And then there was Orchid's ban too, after a child set up a new account and posed as a parent. Orchid said they felt sorry for the poster and was deleted and subsequently banned.

I'd love to see the pattern of those 53 reports. My impression is that, until quite recently, Lang was a poster who was rarely deleted. That changed. I can remember watching the deletions mount up and getting a bad feeling.

Lang was a prominent poster because she had a distinctive voice, posted about a contentious topic, clearly knew her stuff and who also didn't name change. That made her vulnerable The Twitter TRAs - whether or not they're telling the truth about the part they played - had clearly clearly been watching her, as evidenced by their celebrations.

I think anyone who believes they can stay on the right side of the rules just by being clever is deluding themselves.

I'd forgotten that littlebrown.

menopausal brain fog

This site is getting harder & harder not to be deleted from. On a recent thread I said I felt uneasy about a male person masquerading as a woman, and having access to a large mainly teenage female audience who believed that person to be female (mentioning no names so not directed at a particular person) That got deleted....... but I stand by my point, I do feel incredibly uneasy about the deception of children-this is predominantly a parenting forum & the fact we cannot discuss safeguarding concerns is bizarre. I really hope Lang can be given a 2nd chance, why should moderate sensible women be silenced?

There was a hoo-ha a few years back when AF got banned/ suspended and lots of AF names and grumbles to MNHQ.

Checking in to show my continued support for Lang. This whole episode leaves a really bitter taste in my mouth and has significantly dented the affection I held for MN.

Amazing how little posting history there is in those who want the ban to continue...

I want Lass back as well. I almost never agreed with her and sometimes she really annoyed me BUT every so often she made me think oh wait a minute i need to think about this. That is valuable and i miss her as well as others who have gone, been banned or made to feel mumsnet made it too difficult to post.

I was permanently banned then was allowed back

Not that was an interesting link. It suggests to me that very few advertisers would turn their backs on a captive audience of 10 million users per month, especially as I would think mumsnet is a much cheaper option than many other forms of advertising. Maybe mumsnet should get a backbone and stand their ground against TRAs as they have 10 million 'products' as their bulwark and stand up for free speech by ditching the special guidelines for the FWR board.
Oh and in case mumsnet don't know - I want Langcleg back pronto!

AnyFucker was banned, not sure for how long, and is back. IIRC it was similar in that MNHQ provided an exhaustive list of her sins because they realized that their decision would not be popular.

Yes, there is precedent, if there is MNHQ want to

Has anyone ever been reinstated before when they've been banned? Wasn't Barracker? I miss LangCleg too.

On the deletions, we don't know how many of those 53 were self-reported and how many were reports from regular posters who may or may not have been disrupters.

We also don't know the content and for what reason each one was deleted, we have to trust that the reasons were based o breaking the rules, which we all find difficult to post within sometimes.

I don't think we will ever know how it breaks down and I doubt Lang will be reinstated.

I miss her. I hope she knows how much we all miss her already.

It regularly campaigns on issues including support for families of children with special educational needs, improvements in postnatal and miscarriage care, and freedom of speech on the internet.

Or rather the illusion of freedom of speech. Clearly not the reality, as events of the last week have reinforced.

Like Bewilderness says, we're the product, not the customer. As long as the actual customer can be convinced that MN campaigns for freedom of speech who cares if the users feel silenced?

Very interesting. Can you imagine a meeting of an ad company that uses Mumsnet to sell products?

“Ok everyone, Mumsnet has 10 million unique visitors and with the use of Kameleoon we can tailor ads to all those users and potentially make our customers lots of money by selling their products, but they’re all a bit t*rf-y over there so we’ve decided to pull out in case we upset some people on Twitter”.

More on MN marketing in this press release I found from 2 days ago, with a few stats.

www.realwire.com/releases/Mumsnet-increases-personalisation-for-users-with-Kameleoon