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New Year New Judicial Review? CPS Hate Crime Guidance for schools

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Spero · 24/01/2020 22:21

If you haven't seen this, I think you should.

www.faircop.org.uk/post/police-must-not-patrol-trans-discussion-in-schools

In brief, the CPS have published guidance about hate crimes in school - but won't let parents see the guidance. Its for teachers only. I've emailed for a copy and so have others. I have a child in the school system. I want to know how serious the risk is that she will be arrested and charged for discussing biology.

I think anyone else who is also worried should email the CPS and ask to see the guidance.

Teachers and schools can download the pack from this website. This is a resource for schools, so a password is required to download the pack. This can be requested by emailing [email protected].

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MistOnTheWater · 25/01/2020 12:36

Getting it in quietly so no one notices. Didn't Denton's admit that was what they were doing. Sure I read that somewhere.

EmpressLangClegInChair · 25/01/2020 12:28

*Yes, 3 years ago they were perfectly happy to make very similar guidance available to the public. What's changed?’

Somebody’s realised that the public reaction to the last guidance didn’t fit with their plans, so they’re trying to do what’s always worked for them before. Slip the new version in quietly.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 25/01/2020 12:16

Should read ‘I am a girl’

ThinEndoftheWedge · 25/01/2020 12:15

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Thanks for providing examples. Blaming girls I see. Men don’t have to change their behaviour to accommodate the full spectrum of maleness

So just to clarify - a girl want to uphold her legal right to safety privacy and dignity by not wanting to toilet/change with a male who only needs to say It am a girl’ and she will be guilty of a hate crime.

What the fuck fuck fuck!!

How do they get round the equality act same sex exemption?

Has anyone a copy of the new version they can link to?

I am
Happy to request a copy - I’m not a teacher and if they say no I will do an FOI

MistOnTheWater · 25/01/2020 11:18

I just saw this on twitter. I'm glad someone else has linked as I don't know how to yet.
This all seems like social engineering to me. Get the kids believing young.

We teach kids not to lie. This is the opposite of that. Also, what about autistic kids who can't/won't lie? Criminal record?
This is totalitarianism.

Thelnebriati · 25/01/2020 11:14

Creating invisible rules that have serious penalties for people who break them is the definition of abuse.

Dreamprincess · 25/01/2020 11:02

This latest development once again makes me sink to my knees to thank Fair Cop and Harry for launching the legal challenge. John Stuart Mill summed it up so well - The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Hyperbole much but next I can see Mao Tse-tung's Red Book becoming a compulsory text.

BovaryX · 25/01/2020 10:37

Yet another example of how this ideology is promoted "behind closed doors" and is dependent on a lack of open public scrutiny and debate. The use of the police to enforce this is so sinister.

The guidance on hate crimes is only available to teachers? What manner of idiocy is this? As Uncompromising points out, the sub rosa secrecy of this suggests several things. Not least that these policies may have no legal basis One of the defining features of an advanced judicial system in an advanced democracy is everyone knows what constitutes crime This is a Stasi esque scenario where nobody knows what constitutes hate crimes Does Faircop know about this?

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 25/01/2020 10:32

I wish they'd stop using children as an excuse for this cloak and dagger routine.

In this era of social media sharing, their guidelines will be uploaded at some point - to be picked apart by anybody who understands that girls being able to say "no" to males is a fundamental part of safeguarding.

ArranUpsideDown · 25/01/2020 10:28

First they came for the Biology teachers.

They had this in the US when some authorities insisted that Young Earth creationism should be taught either alongside or instead of evolution.

Uncompromisingwoman · 25/01/2020 10:26

I agree Spero with the fact that this is reaching a crescendo. And you are right that there is a deliberate targeting of children. Where this will end I dread to think.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/01/2020 10:25

It is the fact that it is being introducing secretly that bothers me most

Yes, 3 years ago they were perfectly happy to make very similar guidance available to the public. What's changed?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/01/2020 10:21

Rewriting my post as just noticed the part I quoted has some banned terms and I don't want to lose it all if it gets deleted, as I think it's quite useful:

Spero

It is my real fear that efforts to silence uppity terfs one way or another are reaching a crescendo. What more effective way than through our children?

As I said earlier they have tried this before. I have a download of the original CPS/Gendered Intelligence "anti bullying" schools pack from 2017 on my laptop. In which they had a scenario where a girl sees an adult male using the women's toilets. And also use the words "hate crime" talking about children questioning trans identity. The key difference is that they didn't try to keep it secret then.

Categories of anti-LGBT hate crime or LGBT hate incidents
• Ostracising and excluding from friendship groups for reasons of sexual orientation, perceived sexual orientation, gender identity or perceived gender identity.
• Outing someone as gay or transgender”

This means that girls cannot exclude any boy who identifies as a girl from a friendship group, girls are no longer entitled to female-only spaces. Correctly identifying males as males is reclassified as ‘outing’ them, which is a hate crime.

Case Study 5: Toilet choice
This is the most manipulative scenario; the one that all the previous shaming of girls leads up to. Having been immersed in LGBT case scenarios, class discussions, writing exercises and a thorough grounding in hate crime sentencing guidelines, girls are finally led, unknowingly, to the erosion of their sex-based rights and protections....

Scenario: An MTF trans person enters a women's toilet, where a couple of school girls ask why the person is in the toilet as it is not the toilet appropriate for their sex. The MTF trans person then goes to the male toilets where they are confronted by some stereotypical thuggish men.

... The most physically threatening man bangs on the toilet door, yelling “what you doing in there? You freak!” No teenager, male or female, would want to align themselves with the views of these old past-it men who clearly represent ‘old-fashioned ignorance.’ Their physically threatening response and offensive language paints them clearly as pantomime baddies.
The most insidious suggestion in this case scenario though, is that it was the women‘s fault for not accepting a male into their toilet. It is women’s job to protect males from male violence, by rolling over and allowing males into their toilets. The message is clear: women are responsible for male violence. Teenage boys get off scot free by not being represented in either ‘transgender’ scenario and the reactions of girls and young women are aligned with the bigotry of old men.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/cps-schools-project-the-erasure-of-sex-and-the-silencing-of-girls/

Imnobody4 · 25/01/2020 10:17

It is the fact that it is being introducing secretly that bothers me most in light of the fact that they are refusing to give details of the research into the increase in children referred to Tavi.
I can't think of any thing else like this. Prevent is open to scrutiny isn't it?

Lordfrontpaw · 25/01/2020 10:04

So there are rules. You have to follow the rules. It we won’t tell you what they are? So if you get reprimanded for breaking a rule you can’t argue that whoever decided you were wrong hadn’t misunderstood them or is just a bigot?

Interesting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/01/2020 10:02

Are they finally making it official that it is an offence for any female to say ‘no’ to a male?

They said this 3 years ago.

To reinforce the seriousness of this new crime of girls objecting to the presence of males in their private spaces, girls are given this information:
“The students should find that the women and men can be charged with public order offences, in this case aggravated by hostility based on gender identity.”
But this is followed only by:
“They may consider that one man might be charged with the offence and the second charged with joint enterprise.”
It is almost as if coming straight out and saying explicitly that young women may be charged with an offense might actually start both the teachers and the girls thinking it through. What if it was an adult male exposing himself in a public changing room, would a teenage girl be charged with a hate crime for objecting? And why is the ‘toilet choice’ scenario the only one which is situated outside a school? This can only distract from the reality that adolescent girls are being told they must accept male classmates into their toilets if those males identify as female.
Looking at the Learning Outcomes, what teenage girl would dare to speak out about her discomfort ever again?
“Activity 1 Concepts to be enhanced: Legislation and consequences The exercise should bring out the potential criminal charges, including the concepts of ‘aggravated’, ‘motivated’, ‘witnesses’ and ‘joint enterprise’, and indicate possible consequences.
Activity 2 Concepts to be enhanced: Learning the range of anti-LGBT behaviours. Learning that consequences for perpetrators can become serious^”

www.transgendertrend.com/cps-schools-project-the-erasure-of-sex-and-the-silencing-of-girls/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/01/2020 09:58

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Mockers2020Vision · 25/01/2020 09:09

Well bugger me sideways.

First they came for the Biology teachers....

Spero · 25/01/2020 09:01

It is my real fear that efforts to silence uppity terfs one way or another are reaching a crescendo. What more effective way than through our children?

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Fallingirl · 25/01/2020 00:56

We know children, mostly girls, who are uncomfortable getting changed with someone of the other sex, mostly boys or men, in the room, risk social ostracisation if they speak up. Will they now also risk being registered as having committed a ‘hate incident’?

Are they finally making it official that it is an offence for any female to say ‘no’ to a male?

Imnobody4 · 24/01/2020 23:44

Where is the guidance about sexual bullying, harassment and violence. This is in the mould of Mussolini etc take control of education and schools, sack teachers who dissent.

VortexofBloggery · 24/01/2020 23:43

If anyone hasn't listened to the podcasts on the faircop site linked above yet, I highly recommend it. The legal team articulate the argument so well.

Lumene · 24/01/2020 23:41

Absolutely Spero, the info is either appropriate for mass sharing or it isn’t.

Spero · 24/01/2020 23:21

The reason it is being kept 'secret' is apparently to 'protect' the children involved - There is 186 pages of guidance and some PowerPoint and I think a lot of it is 'exercises' about what should you do if you find someone crying in a toilet who is trans - the answer I suspect is arrest everyone with a 100 metre radius.

Which in itself is bizarre and terrifying. If they are using 'real' stories and 'real' children in this pack and they want to protect their identities, then sending the pack out to every secondary school in the country doesn't really seem to be in tune with that aspiration.

Why on earth do 'real' and identifiable children have to be anywhere near this? use anonymous examples, mix up real cases to provide a case study. It's surely not hard.

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Lumene · 24/01/2020 23:09

Keeping the document secret from parents - or attempting to - is a really stupid idea which will backfire on them hugely.

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