New Year New Judicial Review? CPS Hate Crime Guidance for schools

RE may now acknowledge a range of fairytale belief system instead of just one, but it still vociferously promotes the idea that irrantional beliefs are a good thing and athiesm is an illegitimate position.

Going back to the title of the thread - yes please. I want a judge to assess whether the decision to introduce the guidence was lawful, and whether the guidence is lawful. But wouldn't it need a case to be based on? In the mean time the more publicity the better.

Michelle I couldn't agree more with your comparison with Religious Studies teaching. A significant minority of very young girls cover their hair at my child's school. This is somewhat controversial both inside and outside of Islam. However it is of course hugely important that this controversy doesn't lead to the girls in question being bullied or ostracised. This is achieved by teaching tolerance and acceptance of difference. Not by teaching the reasons behind why those families have decided to make that decision for their very young daughters and certainly not by teaching those reasons as fact.

What the fucking fuck is this?
Spero and Fair Cop, thank you.
And yes, Samphire beat me to it but what did Lang always say about secrecy?

Just to add: compare this to teaching of religious studies in school, also compulsory and heavily tied in with equality and tolerance goals and aims.

Children are required to learn about the range of the major religions and beliefs within the UK. The aim is that to know and understand builds tolerance, cohesive communities, understanding. However even in faith schools where one faith is part of the daily culture, staff and curriculum strictly observe that no one religion can be taught as more important or significant than others, and the whole ethos is 'some people believe that...' Neutral facts. Neither encouragement to move away from one faith to another, nor encouragement (certainly not threat of police involvement and punishment) for failing to follow the specific tenets and perform a prescribed faith.

If transgender ideology was presented in this neutral, some people believe and that's fine way, and the normal until five minutes ago rights and needs of non believer female children were protected at the same time, I doubt anyone would have an issue.

The discussions about parents not being allowed to withdraw children from PSHE were rooted in fears that some children were being denied access to information about their bodies, their sexual orientation and about the facts of life due to the parents' agenda. It's like the difficult issues around more unusual forms of homeschooling: when does the child's right to information and wider society overtake the parent's right to parent as they wish. Reducing teen pregnancy, vulnerability of certain groups, reducing LGB bullying all relevant goals with long histories tied in.

Sensitive ground, but the child's needs are easy to see and should be the priority.

However if that teaching has now become loaded with biased political messaging that is not about need but about a political agenda, much of which conflicts with the above aims for children in particular female children and straightforwardly against child safeguarding, then all the above becomes null and void. The argument starts coming down hard on the right of the parents to protect their child from exposure to something harmful. And the harmful isn't things like 'how a baby gets made'.

It's the trojan horse that gets used over and over again. Every child has the right to know how their body works and what sex is/how to do it safely (and be indoctrinated on highly dodgy rightthink)

Sorry that's the new PHSE guidance, not the hate crime guidance! Meant to link it back to theflushedzebra's post

Here is the link to the statutory guidance:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/805781/RelationshipssEducationRelationshipssandSexxEducationRSEanddHealth_Education.pdf

There are a list of resources provided at the back. The only organisation listed under LGBT is Stonewall.

Spero thanks for all you're doing to protect girls. It gives me some small measure of hope that women like you are willing to stand up for girls.

I'm worried about the economy and Brexit - but I read this and I think, well thank god the Tories got in. Because I don't think they've thrown girls under the bus to the same degree as the woke liberals. (Probably because they see women / girls as private property rather than public property - who knew I'd live in a time where that was the better option).

It's creating an environment where teachers and pupils are encouraged to 'inform' on each other.

McCarthyism. That's what it is.

I'm sorry the contrast between the attention given to this and rape /sexual assault /harassment stats are utterly heartbreaking.

I feel sick reading this thread. Girls in schools already have such a hard time, this is disgusting. I think more and more parents will take their girls out of the school system if nothing is done. They'll feel they have no choice.

So girls will effectively, through a combination of inaction on serious crimes like rape and sexual assault, and through creating an environment where a girl is reported and sanctioned for having boundaries, be denied access to an eduction. That is supposed to be a human right. Girls in the UK in 2020 will be denied their human rights.

LordFrontpaw, England and Wales I think - I'm not sure of the situation in Scotland.

PSHE lessons were extremely useful and beneficial, along the lines that you've said, but it's worrying that some schools are sneaking Mermaids style training on gender identity into these lessons.

I've googled the parental right of withdrawal, and it's quite messy -but it seems that parents will still have the right to withdraw children under 15yrs. It was under review for a while, with a lot of Ministers thinking parents should not have this right at all.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/sex-education-classes-compulsory-parents-right-withdraw-children-laura-bates-justine-greening-sre-a7607981.html

Which all sounds fine: "Secondary school pupils will also be given lessons on sex as well as the dangers of the internet including pornography and sexting." - until you hear the plans men like Tatchell have twitter.com/petertatchell/status/1126405209868177408?lang=en

Anyway, this is a bit of a derail - sorry - but just equally indicative of some very disturbing things going on in our children's schools at the moment.

As far as I'm aware, statutory PHSE attendance starts in September 2020 in England. I have no idea when in the week my dcs primary does their PHSE sessions, but I do know that they use Jigsaw as a provider, which is a worry to me.

This thread has reminded me that I need to contact school to ask to see the gender ideology content in case there are things that I'd like to challenge. Having seen what is easily available from Jigsaw, I have a feeling it is likely.

I'm sorry the contrast between the attention given to this and rape /sexual assault /harassment stats are utterly heartbreaking.

For so many women it is so interwoven into our culture even reporting these crimes has never been an option! Let alone the often victim blaming and humiliating trial processes and low conviction rate.

@ theflushedzebra - is that just in Wales or throughout the U.K.? If the sessions were purely biology and ‘don’t hurt people, this the the law, respect women and girls, boys can cry etc’ then I would say yes - it’s valuable. But with the agencies influencing these lessons with messages that are pushing agendas...

First they came for the Biology teachers....

Yes, how on earth are biology teachers dealing with this?

The whole thing is chilling.

They reveal all the same problems that prompted the Fair Cop JR - such as subjective definition of hate crime according to alleged 'victims' perception - but these are aimed at children and their parents may not see the guidance!!!

Absolutely agree Spero There is a profound problem with the entire hate crime paradigm. It is compounded or even caused by Stonewall's extensive influence with the police. The school thing seems intentionally designed to create an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty which will paralyze any mention of this topic. These really are Stasi tactics. It's shocking that this is happening in a Western advanced democracy

My trial is next month, I can't say much but was in court on Thursday, and we are in exceptionally terrifying times regarding the agencies such as the Police and CPS.

I'm appalled by this latest development, and my daughter is in trouble then as a secondary school age autistic kid

The Times has an article about Harry Miller and it cites this case. It also says that 87,000 hate incidents which are not crimes have been investigated by 27 police forces over last five years. This is insane. Surely the more media exposure, the more people will be appalled at what is going on?

theflushedzebra

Until recently, a parent could withdraw their child from religious and PSHE classes - I understand that is no longer the case for the latter.

So you can't withdraw them from a lesson where the content is deliberately withheld from you?

Bloody hell.

Until recently, a parent could withdraw their child from religious and PSHE classes - I understand that is no longer the case for the latter.

And of course a parent has the legal right to withdraw their child completely from the education system, and home educate. I wonder how long before that right is interfered with?

Keeping secrets from parents... Why would anyone want to do that? What purpose does it serve? If you are a parent, you are entitled to know exactly what is being taught in your child's school and what the school's policies are for everything. If the leadership is being uncooperative, you can go directly to governors.

It makes you want to sit this lot of idiots down and explain to them in small words what the Hitler Youth was, why it was created and how it worked. And why anything even slightly reminiscent of its values should be cause for serious alarm.

Hear hear - Hitler Youth was exactly what this sentence reminded me of too.