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New Year New Judicial Review? CPS Hate Crime Guidance for schools

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Spero · 24/01/2020 22:21

If you haven't seen this, I think you should.

www.faircop.org.uk/post/police-must-not-patrol-trans-discussion-in-schools

In brief, the CPS have published guidance about hate crimes in school - but won't let parents see the guidance. Its for teachers only. I've emailed for a copy and so have others. I have a child in the school system. I want to know how serious the risk is that she will be arrested and charged for discussing biology.

I think anyone else who is also worried should email the CPS and ask to see the guidance.

Teachers and schools can download the pack from this website. This is a resource for schools, so a password is required to download the pack. This can be requested by emailing [email protected].

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refusetobeasheep · 03/02/2020 12:24

The Safe Schools Alliance have created a template letter to use to contact the CPS about this - I've emailed and sent via snail mail this morning. Details at:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2020/01/28/write-to-the-crown-prosecution-service/

Cuntysnark · 02/02/2020 09:02

Spero I’ve sent it to my own MP & another MP with whom I engaged meaningfully at a totally unrelated event last week. I hijacked him and he seemed to get it.

Mockers2020Vision · 02/02/2020 08:44

I think the media have very effectively branded the whole Parkfield protest as a load of muslim extremists who want to kill gay people.

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Spero · 02/02/2020 08:43

I don't flatter myself that my decision to blog or not made the slightest difference to their thought process.

What made them publish was various newspapers contacting them for comment. Which underscores how important the press can be and how frightening it is that their collective reporting is so poor - some honourable exceptions of course, thank you Janice Turner.

So I think we cannot rely on the press to notice or care. I hope the Sunday Times today on the father who says he will face prison rather than allow his 9 year old to be taught about 'being born in the wrong body' will wake more people up.

But I don't think we can assume it will help, given the extent of institutional capture so far seen. We have to involve our MPs.

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Mockers2020Vision · 02/02/2020 08:42

It just strikes me as very poor classroom material, full of leading questions with closed answers, no opportunity for debate and discussion of diversity of values.

And it looks like it drives a coach and horses through this:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/805781/Relationships_Education__Relationships_and_Sex_Education__RSE__and_Health_Education.pdf

Datun · 02/02/2020 00:14

They don't appear to understand the public interest in this. I know lots of people don't know about it, but the amount who do is still significant. How could they not imagine it would be shared far and wide?

It's just another example of how disassociated they are.

Aesopfable · 01/02/2020 23:53

I agree I don’t think they were going to publish until you said you would; that is why they asked you to delay publishing so they could get some control of the story.

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Spero · 01/02/2020 23:02

I don't think they delayed publishing at all. I think they had no intention of publishing anything until it became clear how many journalists were sniffing about and the story would be their refusal to publish.

So that was probably the most sensible thing they could have done in terms of damage limitation as it took away one of the most chilling and sinister aspects of the whole thing - that parents were not to see ANY of it.

However I am glad it is public and I hope as many people as possible read it and complain about it. I hope there is also going to be a JR or this.

It has to end now. Its gone beyond ridiculous and back again.

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Aesopfable · 01/02/2020 22:45

Spero I suspect they asked you to delay publishing because it gave them time to put their own spin on it. May be a good lesson not to delay publishing in future.

MBWalsh · 01/02/2020 18:14

Thanks! Sorry to bother you.

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Spero · 01/02/2020 18:08

The guidance is now public - or at least the part that isn't the videos.

Safe Schools Alliance have produced a template letter

twitter.com/safeschools_uk/status/1223256972214112262?s=21

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MBWalsh · 01/02/2020 17:55

Can anyone send a link to the guidance, or tell me what to say in the email to get it? I'm not sure how to obtain it.

StandWithYou · 01/02/2020 17:34

Have faith Spero I think it will happen especially when the Fair Cop judgement is released, the Daily Mail article was really good at explaining the Harry case. I think they will link the two together.

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Spero · 01/02/2020 09:27

Had high hopes that at least some journalists would comment sensibly on this but the coverage has been pretty dire - either none of them understand the wider implications of all this or they are under pressure not to make those links.

Please can everyone write to their MP? Request a meeting if you can? We are not sleepwalking into disaster, we are being deliberately herded into it.

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Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 30/01/2020 17:28

Have used the safe schools alliance letter to complain direct to CPS and written to my MP about this. It's horrifying. What happened to 'no means no'?

Aesopfable · 30/01/2020 16:00

In order to complain to the ombudsman about EHRC you need to have first completed their complaints process and then your complaint has to be referred to the ombudsman by an MP - so your MP may be useful for that Floaton

FloatOn · 30/01/2020 14:12

I've written to my MP but he's a known homophobe so any concerns he raises probably wont be taken seriously.
I've read a bit of the CPS document but had to stop, my head is spinning.

StandWithYou · 30/01/2020 08:24

Thanks - I will write again and raise these issues. Quick glance at the guidance and reading Spiro’s comments is really frightening.

Hope Fair Cop action comes back favourably and soon.

Aesopfable · 30/01/2020 08:10

Who does oversee the EHRC then? Or do they just make quasi law without any oversight ?

The parliamentary and health service ombudsman I think.
www.ombudsman.org.uk/

SarahTancredi · 30/01/2020 08:06

All sincethe extra letters joined the gang

see this is what I dont get. People largely dont give a crap if someone is gay.

The law is meant to protect them in the work place for being gay/lesbian/bi/ trans.

I think most people were happy with that werent they? Accepting or at least professional.around their colleagues . They know they cant fire someone for their sexuality etc

The resistance is coming purely from being coerced into a completely false sense of reality and being made to give up your own rights and having to change everything you say think and feel.

Why did they go this far? What did it achieve exactly.

Lordfrontpaw · 30/01/2020 08:01

Interesting how deep they go

Best LGBT inclusive workplaces in the UK are revealed
Universities and institutions in Wales are leading the way.

Read in Metro: apple.news/AjhT6qBPvRfaY4kmc_Fvjdg

All since the extra letters joined the gang.

Binterested · 30/01/2020 08:00

Who does oversee the EHRC then? Or do they just make quasi law without any oversight ?

Lordfrontpaw · 30/01/2020 07:58

Stonewall will - I believe - go. They have overstepped their remit and became something else entirely. They are no longer fit for purpose.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 30/01/2020 07:55

Just before the election I wrote to my MP about the EHRC draft guidance and he forwarded onto the Equalities Minister who responded that they had no say in the guidance and to write to the EHRC

Is this the same EHRC that needed Nic Williams to correct them on their (wrong) interpretation of the Equalities Act. Really worrying.

We all need to contact our MPs, CPS, EHRC etc and before girls are convicted of the hate crime of trying to uphold their legal right to safety, privacy and dignity through same sex provision.

I know we often point the finger at the Lib Dem’s, Labour, the greens, SNP etc - But TORIES - this is being allowed to happen under YOUR watch. They need to be held to account.

The law for single sex provision is still on our side (for now). Don’t let them ignore it. Don’t let me swayed by Stonewall et al.

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