Today’s daily dose of LangCleg sense

I was following a lot of it last year & have read some of the reports. Its deeply frustrating & concerning to see familiar patterns & dynamics being repeated in plain sight.

Anglican Church case studies: Chichester/Peter Ball Investigations report. 9 May 2019

Conclusion
(extract)
"The Church of England should have been a place which cared for and supported victims of child sexual abuse. The investigations into the Diocese of Chichester and the events surrounding Peter Ball revealed a number of serious failings in its response to allegations against both clergy and laity alike. From the early 1990s there were inadequate safeguarding structures and policies in place at a national level and, as a result, at a diocesan level.
Each case study provided examples of perpetrators who were able to hide in plain sight for many years. In the Diocese of Chichester, there were perpetrators about whom there were allegations, or even known convictions, who were provided with unrestricted access to children and young people and as a result, continued to offend.
There were occasions when the Church put its own reputation above the needs of victims and survivors. It did not always treat victims and survivors with the compassion or dignity they deserved. The Church acknowledged that “it failed some victims because it allowed its
response to civil claims to become unduly defensive, and dominated by the approach and language of litigation” (continues)

www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/11301/view/anglican-church-case-studies-chichester-peter-ball-investigation-report-may-2019.pdf

Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse website: www.iicsa.org.uk/

There are other reports to read on the iicsa website. They illuminate many dark corners. They are long and depressing though.

I’m sorry to be such a Luddite about links etc.

thank you, Im interested to read this so will find it.

Can’t link directly.

iicsa.org.uk

Anglican Church case studies: Chichester/Peter Ball Investigations report. 9 May 2019

9years do you have link to thedocument/ relevent part by chance please?

I watched the BBC two part documentary 'Exposed: The Church's Darkest Secret' last week & recommend it for anyone still unclear about how the creation of any 'sacred castes', as LangCleg characterised it, enables & protects perpetrators of serious abuse of children &/or vulnerable adults.

Its difficult & vital viewing for those concerned to understand Safeguarding better.

It seems to only be available for another 2 weeks on iplayer

summary
(extract)
"The story of the decades-long pursuit of Bishop Peter Ball by the individuals determined to bring him to justice. It is also the story of a cover-up that went to the highest levels of the Church of England.

Peter Ball's charisma saw him develop a national profile, make TV appearances on chat shows and claim influential friends in the establishment, including the Prince of Wales. But he was also a manipulative sexual predator abusing numerous teenage boys and young men in his spiritual care, subjecting them to sexual assault and sadistic beatings

Using powerful testimony from victims, police and church officials, and dramatic reconstruction, this series charts the story of those who fought for many years to bring a prosecution against Peter Ball. The films show their bravery and persistence in uncovering the truth while he and other offending Church of England clergy continued to get away with their crimes" (continues)
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dbq7

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse report from last May into the Diocese of Chichester and Bishop Pater Ball is most illuminating about this loophole. It’s a long read but the ending of the exclusion of faith leaders from the provisions of The Sexual Offences Act 2003 relating to sexual relationships with 16-18 year olds is one of the reports urgent recommendations.
The report obliquely refers to the part the bishops in the House of Lords may have played in the original drafting of this law, we are perhaps supposed to draw our own conclusions about that.

Part 2 of Radio 4's drama 'Dykes' deonstrates very effectively the abuse dynamics, risks & Safeguarding response to circumstances when adults encourage secrets with children.

-its really worth listening to.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3806789-BBC-Radio-4-drama-Dykes-on-now

Sarah Champion MP writes in The Times of moves to protect children from adults in supervisory positions by closing a significant loophole in Safeguarding 'Abuse of Trust' legislation.
This would also be relevent to many of those adults running youth groups, choirs, drama groups ACF etc as well as the faith & sports clubs mentioned.

Sexual consent and “positions of trust” by Tracey Emmott (Emmott Snell Solicitors)
'Abuse of Trust law is currently limited to certain regulated settings and positions. These include education and care settings, clinics, hospitals, voluntary children’s homes, residential family centres and criminal justice settings. So it covers teachers, social workers and doctors for example.'

www.emmottsnell.co.uk/blog/sexual-consent-and-positions-of-trust

Sarah Champion, 'Children need protecting in all settings, not just at school'
(extract)
"If you leave your child in the care of an adult professional, you would assume that the law would apply evenly if they failed in their duty to safeguard. However, due to a legal loophole, as the law currently stands it is illegal for a teacher — but not a faith leader or sports coach — to engage in sexual activity with a 16 or 17-year-old under their supervision.

As chairwoman of the all-party parliamentary group (APPG) on safeguarding in faith settings, I am publishing a report that calls on the government to extend the definition of a ‘position of trust’ to cover any adult regularly involved in caring for, training or supervising a child.

Evidence submitted to the APPG’s inquiry into ‘positions of trust’ found current legislation to be inadequate for protecting young people from adults who would groom and abuse them.

The scale of the problem is hard to determine, due in part to the legality of the act itself, but figures previously obtained by the NSPCC from local authorities showed that between 2014 and 2018, over 650 complaints were made about adults in professions not covered by the existing position of trust law having sex with children in their care.

The APPG’s inquiry found that adults holding positions in faith organisations are perceived as having authority, power and influence within their communities — and the opportunities to abuse that power are significant as a result" (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-need-protecting-in-all-settings-not-just-at-school-7wdmfj6kk

And what's scary about the police being captured is that they're running operation encompass in a number of areas now.

www.operationencompass.org/

I wonder how they'd respond to a mother who is a transwidow describing the manipulation and coercive abuse she's experiencing to a police officer in confidence?

This project is currently top of our safeguarding toolkit in school. I threw a small internal hissy fit when the first slide show we were send was all about how women abuse men too.

Can someone do me a favour and tell me who LangCleg is and wtf is going on

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Sorry posting on the hop

Jesus, look at this

jme.bmj.com/content/early/2019/12/31/medethics-2019-105567

Please someone start a new thread.

Posting as is highly relevant here.

While I agree with you Al, and that's a useful rule of thumb to follow, in practice, esp in sen, it's not always possible.

Asking questions is a vital part of Safeguarding.

Professsionals, whose work includes neccesarily on occasions being 1:1 with children, will be informed by a range of requirements specific to context, good practice & legislation. All of these contribute to the Safeguarding & Child Protection frameworks.

Fair enough RO, but most schools recommend an open door to classrooms when speaking to children alone, for the protection of staff as well as children.

It’s when these simple principles are removed that you have to ask why? And who benefits?

Why should no adult be alone with a child in a professional situation? Easily answered.

There are many situations in which it's perfectly reasonable & appropriate for a professional to be alone with a child - especially in school situations.
A pupil doesn't need a chaperone when seen alone by their teacher quickly after a lesson for praise, advice, or quiet sanction about behaviour, for example. Also in schools, TAs will be supporting children with additional needs 1:1 so they can fully participate.
The key thing (with respect to the OP) is that social private contact does not occur, unnecessary contacts do not regularly occur and that no child is ever promised confidentiality because information sharing via Safeguarding prevents harm.
Also important to note that the context for the OP the adult was not a professional so no child Safeguarding frameworks were in place.

Slightly tangentially, earlier today DH and I were discussing an upcoming funeral that he doesn't want to go to. He feels he would be expected to attend as the service is for a former work colleague in an industry where funerals are a big thing.

I found myself saying "well, who made the rules that you have to go" and thought back to this thread and other recent discussions.

Who made the rules and why? Is a good question to ask about any of this.

Why should no adult be alone with a child in a professional situation? Easily answered.

Why do some adults want to undermine this guidance? Equally fucking obvious.

WrathofAsyouwereKIop
Its a very important thread & analysis.

Thanks though is due to littlebowndog. On a current thread discussing the bullying, threats & attempts to silence Prof Selina Todd (Oxford), she said, "remember what LangCleg said about regulatory capture." I needed to go & remind myself!
Hearhooves comment prompted me to think it relevent here too.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3803784-Selina-Todd-threats-security-wrong-side-of-history-my-arse?pg=6

Thanks for the links R0
The Regulatory Capture thread started by Lang describes exactly what's happening.

My favourite thread.

I believe we must be honest with our children and I believe anyone telling them to keep a secret does not have our children's best interests at heart. Honesty and kindness is the way we walk forward. Whatever the current doctrine is it can never come before children being safe from abuse

Absolutely Mammatino, as your mum says, that there are those who want to undermine Safeguarding is nothing new. Nor that there are many who through lack of understanding or recklessness fail to maintain what safeguards exist.
Its not kind to put children's welfare at risk.
Its not kind to smear, silence or frighten women motivated to safeguard children & vulnerable adults or protect their sex-based rights.

Abuse is like a mushroom it grows in the dark and its prevalent.

Excellent point Mammatino

I wanted to say that I've been reading threads like this for a while and feeling very overwhelmed. I'm a stay at home mum at the moment. I've had a great career and have contributed to society. I have been watching and listening and slowly speaking to members of my family and local community about concerns. Today I spoke to my 70 year old mum about my child being taught things in school. She said "oh darling this has been going on since year dot and they want to keep you out.. Why do you think that?" 30 years ago she spoke up in a school about sex Ed and was vilified as a hate figure, her brother is gay. She said she had no problems with a good decent honest education for children.. She was unhappy that we were being told not to go to mum. She was terrified that children were being led into a secret society of abuse. I believe we must be honest with our children and I believe anyone telling them to keep a secret does not have our children's best interests at heart. Honesty and kindness is the way we walk forward. Whatever the current doctrine is it can never come before children being safe from abuse. Abuse is like a mushroom it grows in the dark and its prevalent. I'm not sure if this is the right thread to say this. I believe being a feminist is about standing up for each other and the vulnerable.

And many schools adopt their LA policy, as I said earlier.

March 2019 relevent thread OP LangCleg on 'Regulatory Capture':
"We've also discussed the way in which the policy-setting leadership of other companies, state institutions (for example the police and the NHS), charities (for example NSPCC) and third sector orgs (for example Girl Guides) have enforced the top-down imposition of Gender Identity ideology despite obvious practical and ethical issues and conflicts of rights.

I came across someone remarking about the concept of regulatory capture on Twitter in relation to all this and, since we've also been discussing the actual power relations behind various oppression narratives, I wonder what everyone thought.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

Regulatory capture is a form of government failure which occurs when a regulatory agency, created to act in the public interest, instead advances the commercial or political concerns of special interest groups that dominate the industry or sector it is charged with regulating. When regulatory capture occurs, the interests of firms or political groups are prioritized over the interests of the public, leading to a net loss for society. Government agencies suffering regulatory capture are called "captured agencies".

There are two basic types of regulatory capture and the second rings a few bells:

Non-materialist capture, also called cognitive capture or cultural capture, in which the regulator begins to think like the regulated industry. This can result from interest-group lobbying by the industry.

What do we think? Are there parallels?"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3541908-Regulatory-capture

See also James Kirkup's Spectator article on the Dentons/IYGLO document ‘Only adults? Good practices in legal gender recognition for youth’
www.iglyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/IGLYO_v3-1.pdf
December 2019 'The document that reveals the remarkable tactics of trans lobbyists'
(extract)
"Here’s a broad observation from the report about the best way to enact a pro-trans agenda:

‘While cultural and political factors play a key role in the approach to be taken, there are certain techniques that emerge as being effective in progressing trans rights in the “good practice” countries.’

Among those techniques: ‘Get ahead of the Government agenda.’

What does that mean? Here it is in more detail:

‘In many of the NGO advocacy campaigns that we studied, there were clear benefits where NGOs managed to get ahead of the government and publish progressive legislative proposal before the government had time to develop their own. NGOs need to intervene early in the legislative process and ideally before it has even started. This will give them far greater ability to shape the government agenda and the ultimate proposal than if they intervene after the government has already started to develop its own proposals.’ (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

It feels overwhelming at times.

Yes.