Selina Todd, threats, security, wrong side of history my arse

I've just taken a great deal of time finding the Nick Ferrari Sarah Ditum/Jane Fae interview this morning.

It's very interesting - Jane Fae indirectly accusing Sarah of "the people you support" making threats against transwomen - and is totally called out on it. Jane Fae attempting the "on both sides" argument - and refuses to even discuss the Oxford situation, because all Jane Fae wants to talk about is attacks on trans people - which certainly, and Jane was forced to apologise to Sarah about this - do not come from feminists.

www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/46vyD7z/

From about 2:04:30

They haven't covered it yet because it makes TRAs look bad. Not because Professor Todd is white

Not "rubbish", at all. I'm not saying they have not reported this case because 'the victim' is white, but because she does not fulfil any the inter-sectionalist tick boxes now employed on the 'liberal-left'; and as you say - because so called 'trans-rights' are a sacred cow which means that no publicity can be given if that publicity is at all negative.

It has got the liberal-left press in a right old mess; whereby newsworthy stories will just not be reported unless they fulfil the right criteria; or the 'victim' is of the correct 'category'.

What a wonderful speech Selina made at WPUK - truly inspirational.

Are the students suspended? They should be kicked out. If I threatened a colleague (and the police would be called) I’d be fired. I hope the police are involved. These are adults - supposedly intelligent adults.

It is being reported in The Telegraph, The Times, The Daily Mail. Yet the Guardian hasn't managed to find space amongst the cabaret of outrage at Lawrence Fox to report an Oxford university academic who requires security to escort her to lectures? This existential threat to freedom of speech and thought in one of the world's premier universities doesn't merit coverage? How very surprising. Not.

Interesting isn't it that the Guardian and the BBC have yet to cover this news story

Susanna Rustin of the Guardian has tweeted in support of Selina, but somehow their journalists haven't found time to cover it. How strange. (I notice the Mail has picked it up.)

By the way, don't read Twitter if you don't want to raise your blood pressure sky-high. Lots of people tweeting in support but the usual morons having a go at Selina. How despicable these people are.

arson, murder.

Dana Rivers has that covered already. Rivers, a prominent transactivist who played a role in shutting down Michfest, is due to be tried for the murder of Patricia Wright, Charlotte Reed, and their adopted son, Benny Diambu-Wright. Rivers allegedly set their house and garage on fire after shooting and stabbing the victims.

www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-famed-trans-right-activist-accused-of-violent-murder-of-female-couple-their-son-dana-rivers/

Oxford should be taking the threats against Todd much more seriously, and the police should be involved, too.

I am furious on her behalf.

Rubbish justa
They haven't covered it yet because it makes TRAs look bad. Not because Professor Todd is white.
UCU and Oxford should be all over this and students making spurious complaints and threats of violence should be shown the door. When the safety of an academic can not be guaranteed because of what she writes then they should be all over this.

Interesting isn't it that the Guardian and the BBC have yet to cover this news story. You can guarantee they would if the professor in question was black or a Muslim.

It will get worse, the TRAs will step a little further along the line each time; silent protests, disruptive protests, online abstract threats, online targeted threats, threats in person, aggressive actions, violent actions, vandalism, arson, murder. While the politicians, police and press sit like frogs in a pot coming to the boil.

These are not only threats to the individual women concerned, they are warnings to every other woman. "This is what will happen to you if you speak out in a way we don't like" - and is indeed why so many women are scared of speaking out

That is absolutely true. The aim is pour encourager les autres It is to show that the price of speaking out is relentless harassment The intention is to create an environment where women submit and conform to the new orthodoxy and its enforcers. And all of this whilst claiming victim status even whilst their targets require security to fulfill their academic duties. In Oxford University. It's quite incredible

The awful thing is that the TRAs making the violent threats will want this publicised. Their aim is to have every gc woman scared to go into work, scared to speak her mind, scared she will lose her job. These are not only threats to the individual women concerned, they are warnings to every other woman. "This is what will happen to you if you speak out in a way we don't like" - and is indeed why so many women are scared of speaking out.

Agree, love. Why hasn't Oxford expelled these students? Why haven't they been reported to the police?

Other questions that need answers: why hasn't the UCU, either at a national or local level, spoken out in support of Professor Todd? What are Professor Todd's colleagues doing to support her? Because, frankly, the least I'd expect in this situation is that her colleagues down tools (or whatever the academic equivalent is) until the students threatening her are removed from the university. Just astonishing.

Can someone please explain to me HOW this can possibly be the case in ANY university? Surely the threat of ongoing violence is enough to get someone suspended - or a warning that says they will be suspended if it continues - that physical agression is UNACCEPTABLE in any university situation?

I was going to ask why on earth anyone issuing threats of violence IN LECTURES was still a student

Well yes women's 'eggshell skulls' mean that men who just want to cause injury can cause death entirely by accident. Poor men. Women's bodies are so unreasonable every way you look at it.

The frightened of Jenny Murry Jane Fae?

Just pile upon pile of bullshit. Women are not going around threatening trans people with violence. They're just not. Linda Bellos got taken to court over comments that she would stand up for herself in the light of what happened to Maria McLachlan, and the case got thrown out.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-threat-feminist-linda-bellos-faces-private-prosecution-g6rmzftx9

Jane then alleges someone laughed at a trans woman at a meeting when they said they had been raped.

People can be crass. This shouldn't be news to Fae of all people, who has said that some murders are "domestic violence 'gone wrong'". Spare us the hypocrisy.

Prof Todd said that transgender activists started making complaints about her on the basis that her teaching of feminist history was “transphobic “My research suggests that women who posed as men in the past were often lesbians seeking to protect themselves, or because they want to do jobs that were only available to men,” she said.

On Woman's Hour earlier they interviewed Shelley Silas who had written a soon to be broadcast radio play adapted from The Well of Loneliness. She said she believes The Well of Loneliness is about a transman. I listened to this segment especially because the radio play is part of Radio 4's Riot Girls series and the trailer currently running for the series has one play that seems to be about a transman, another play that seems to be about a transwoman, and The Well of Loneliness. I wondered if Radio 4 would be going for a hatrick.

Sorry, that was for the Music Wag thread!

Accuses Sarah of being involved with groups who support violence. shock Sarah points out this is not true, Jane says there are threats made on both sides

Perhaps Jane can provide an example of an academic who requires security to accompany her to and from lectures because of threats from radical feminists? Does Jane have any concrete evidence to support her false equivalence? Nope. Thought not.

MrsSnippyPants did Jane condemn the threats to Selina Todd at all?

Jane then alleges someone laughed at a trans woman at a meeting when they said they had been raped.

If someone did laugh that is unacceptable and hurtful, but it's not exactly at a level of being at such risk of going about your working day that your employer has to employ security guards to protect you.

(And it overlooks that if the transwoman was raped, it was by a MAN since rape is an action requiring a penis in the UK, yet it's always the women they come after.)

Following the ads, a regular caller phones in from the Shetlands, just had their reassignment surgery. (Kerry, I think)
Thinks Prof Todd should invite pre and post-op trans people to her lectures (caller still seems to think in terms of transsexuals not transgender)
This will help her learn how transgender people feel, and how they just want to blend in.
Tells the TRAs to cool it.