Selina Todd, threats, security, wrong side of history my arse

Jeez bovary not ovary

Jeez bovary not ovary

They do rowan and ovary

Rember what Lang said about regulatory capture

Maajid not covering it now. Continuing with coverage of facial recognition technology. (Shoulder shrug emoji).

R0wan

I agree. This lobby has some extremely well placed, influential advocates strategically placed in key roles.

That is an excellent point. Imagine when this cadre of authoritarians are in pole position across the establishment?

Many already are

his might sound like a storm in a teacup and something that's just about student activists but students become graduates and Oxford students tend to become graduates who go into things like politics, the media or the civil service."So if they are learning that no debate is the way to run a society we should all be worried

littlebrowndog

That is an excellent point. Imagine when this cadre of authoritarians are in pole position across the establishment?

Prof Todd said universities were not a place for bigotry, but somewhere to have a "respectful, democratic debate" that was "evidence-based".
She continued: "This might sound like a storm in a teacup and something that's just about student activists but students become graduates and Oxford students tend to become graduates who go into things like politics, the media or the civil service.
"So if they are learning that no debate is the way to run a society we should all be worried."

Now picked up by the BBC news site.

Oxford professor given protection following threats from trans activists
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-51248684

BBC News has to save £85 million. They've sacked Vic. Maybe Ben Hunte could be next?

The bbc headline calls it trans "threats" which rather diminishes the fact that real and believable threats have clearly been made

The BBC and the Guardian are relying on the fact that many people use them (and other similar news sources) as their only source of news. Such people will dismiss the Times, Telegraph and Mail as right wing bigotry, and insist that if media outlets like the BBC and Guardian aren't covering something it isn't happening/isn't important.

I was discussing media bias with my intelligent, Guardian-devotee parents, who were staggered when I disagreed with their view that the Guardian is less biased than other outlets. You can't judge what you just don't see. I've other friends who also stuck to the Guardian and are totally unaware of the whole issue. It's disgraceful.

The BBC and the Guardian are relying on the fact that many people use them (and other similar news sources) as their only source of news. Such people will dismiss the Times, Telegraph and Mail as right wing bigotry, and insist that if media outlets like the BBC and Guardian aren't covering something it isn't happening/isn't important

OldCrone
That's an interesting point. It is the very definition of an echo chamber. The Guardian's 'journalists' who think news is regurgitating Twitter memes, were in shock and awe after the election result. Their insularity explains why.

OK, it's going to be 2 o'clock.

Maajid Nawaz LBC is going to be covering this today. Not sure if he's doing it at 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock.

And they wouldn't even have to take sides as such, just report the facts. They can't have looked at this story and deemed it not newsworthy.

Yes, in this case they could have reported that an Oxford University professor needs to be protected by security guards at work due to threats to her safety from some students. No opinion on the facts needs to be stated. Readers can then go to another source with more detail and then go wtf?

The BBC and the Guardian are relying on the fact that many people use them (and other similar news sources) as their only source of news. Such people will dismiss the Times, Telegraph and Mail as right wing bigotry, and insist that if media outlets like the BBC and Guardian aren't covering something it isn't happening/isn't important.

The 'pro trans' lobby can do no wrong as far as the Guardian and BBC are concerned, so when they do do wrong, they ignore it. If a far right group had been attacking Selina Todd, they'd have been on her side.

And they wouldn't even have to take sides as such, just report the facts. They can't have looked at this story and deemed it not newsworthy.

Prospective employers would be very interested in the ‘student activists’ activities too. They do realise that they have to go out into the real world - and the Internet never forgets?

I don’t know how anyone can say it’s not one-sided anymore. It’s disgusting outright misogyny. I hope heads roll for this in the future

Yes, people must be held accountable. The blatant misogyny of it is just shocking. Ten years ago, the idea that an Oxford historian would require bodyguards because of her feminist perspective? Unimaginable. But here we are.

It may be that they are taking action. I don’t know. Oxford has been better than most universities about defending staff actually. At the same time, it seems to have particularly aggressive and nasty students involved in this.
Sally Hines is awful. I would be so depressed if I worked in her department. I don’t know how anyone can say it’s not one-sided anymore. It’s disgusting outright misogyny. I hope heads roll for this in the future. People like Sally Hines, Allison Phipps and many others have actively encouraged these attacks and bullying against their colleagues. I suspect some of it is jealousy. Both Phipps and Hines, but especially Hines, are pretty piss-poor in terms of the work they produce. They need to be aggressive because otherwise their weaknesses would be exposed. They pale in comparison with someone like Selina.

Other aggressive so-called feminist academics who talk about how disgusting TERFs are tend to fall into the precariously employed sector, many of them having struggled to find a job at all or only able to find fixed term work. I suspect a lot of their anger is also directed at those who have the permanent jobs that they believe themselves to deserve. I don’t blame them for their anger about the precarious job market but I would never employ any of them following some of the misogynistic rubbish they have tweeted and the way they have attacked women who don’t agree with them.

If Selina was ‘Stuart’ they would report. Women are bottom of the pile.

My point related to the lack of reporting of this matter in either the Guardian or the BBC.

Justhadathought I understood what you were getting at. But I think here it's who the perpetrators are, not the victim, which is important. The 'pro trans' lobby can do no wrong as far as the Guardian and BBC are concerned, so when they do do wrong, they ignore it. If a far right group had been attacking Selina Todd, they'd have been on her side.

There is no reasonable 'other side' to this story.

Thinking about it, the 'other side' is actually the university. Why have they just given Selina Todd protection rather than getting the police involved to deal with the threats of violence?

I was waiting for the ‘opposite side’ to be given their say.

But who would the other side be in this story? An academic has been threatened by some students and needs security guards. Who are the other side? The thuggish students who are threatening her? The people who support the thugs who are threatening her?

Sarah Ditum and Jane Fae represented the 'two sides' on Nick Ferrari's programme yesterday, but the one thing they both agreed on was that violence and threats of violence are never acceptable. There is no reasonable 'other side' to this story.

No, I didn't quite say that; not in the way you are reporting it, anyway - My point related to the lack of reporting of this matter in either the Guardian or the BBC. Perhaps I expressed myself in slightly clumsy manner....which I've attempted to rectify above

Part of the problem is that transgender activists and allies so often use race, and alleged racism, to bolster their shaky position.