@JustineMumsnet please consider reinstating LangCleg after a temporary suspension. It would help so many of us. Mumsnetters please sign!

I feel very fortunate that my employers offer ongoing training opportunities, as do my colleagues. I don't think any of us see that as a negative.
I don't see it as a negative either, BUT

Willis I'm sorry that you can't see the difference between offering to fund extra training which is clearly a positive thing

Well, I'm sorry that you can't see that yes it would be a good thing to offer to fund extra training IF you weren't insinuating that the only reason they behaved like they did was because they were misunderstood and it hadn't happened like that at all and here, you need training.
Sounds a bit gaslighty even if you won't see it that way.

Willis I'm sorry that you can't see the difference between offering to fund extra training which is clearly a positive thing and claiming that people need 'retraining' which is clearly negative.

I feel very fortunate that my employers offer ongoing training opportunities, as do my colleagues. I don't think any of us see that as a negative.

Willis I haven't told anyone they need 'retraining', I really don't know what you're on about

This was you, no? You clearly don't think their training is adequate and need extra if so?
I'm sure hundreds of us on here would be happy to contribute to a fund for extra training for the Mods if you think that might help?
Also I'm sure that when Lang mentioned the Freedom Programme Training she was genuinely being helpful.
Can translate/come across as you didn't experience what you think you did, you've misunderstood.
I'm sure the mods know exactly what happened/how they were treated, how is telling them they're mistaken, weren't subject to abuse at all, don't be silly, going to help?

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Is this an attempt to move the conversation on do we think?

It seems strange timing.

Willis I haven't told anyone they need 'retraining', I really don't know what you're on about. I happened to mention training because I've just done some via my work and I found it really interesting and useful.

We are now at an impasse with regards getting Lang back so I thought it would be sensible to ask Justine directly if there is anything we can do to help.

Clearly I'm not in the best position to suggest the form that help takes - I'm sure other people will be able to come up with much better ideas than me.

But I want to start a dialogue with Justine. It's possible that if she discusses it with the Mods there might be something we can all work out together to help get Lang back.

I also want to make it clear that I for one would be delighted to donate to any ideas that might help.

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Where have they supported vapid bitchiness on here?
Unless you mean the sleb and Insta threads, as they definitely are full of vapid bitchiness sometimes lol

Teachers have training in those things 🤷‍♂️ Not an insult

So do we go to reddit then?

What’s the point in mumsnet if it only wants to support vapid bitchiness rather than any real conversation?

Telling people they need retraining and to go on the freedom programme to spot abuse - can you really not see how that comes across?

Where have I suggested that anyone doesn't know their own minds or is being abused? Are you mixing me up with someone else Willis?

It's insinuating they don't know their own minds though, telling them that they're being abused....very patronising, and honestly, how do you think that's going to go down?!

I didn't suggest training in the Freedom Programme to be negative to the Mods, I think it's a great idea.

Having an insight into how to help survivors of violence would be helpful on a forum where women discuss our families, relationships and safeguarding.

It's no criticism of the Mods to suggest this would offer new insights.

When my work offered me free First Aid training I jumped at the chance because I could see it would be helpful.

I didn't take it as a passive aggressive criticism that I didn't already know how to perform CPR.

Yes, SirVix, indeed.

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I am surprised they have banned her. Lang was such a force for good on these pages. I am shocked actually, that someone who cares so deeply about women and children, should be banned from a site primarily for women, most of them also mothers.
It is very depressing indeed to think that speaking out leads to this.

Many things promoted as “societal policies” are based on lies

Yes I agree. Keep talking but be careful (and perhaps consider, maybe, keeping interactions with hq to a minimum? Only as that is what lead to Lang getting banned!)

I'm disappointed but not surprised.
I think the best response now is to talk about safeguarding more than ever.

So MN are banning radfems for wrongthink. Good to know.

But TWAW is not a "societal policy," it is a lie. At times a lie mean to be kind, but a lie all the same.

I don’t think radfems in general are being moderated out.

Only those who believe that enforcing TWAW as a societal policy creates a safeguarding issue.

This belief has become taboo for the Left. It is becoming taboo here, and in most online spaces.

Is the aim to block everyone who represents the radfem perspective until there is no controversy?

Take heart all.. I’m deeply hoping Lang might do a blog we can all support.. safeguarding is something all mums care about, there would surely be a market for it!

(although whether Lang has the time or inclination is another matter of course!)