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@JustineMumsnet please consider reinstating LangCleg after a temporary suspension. It would help so many of us. Mumsnetters please sign!

831 replies

loveyouradvice · 23/01/2020 15:35

@JustineMumsnet

We the undersigned would like to ask you to consider reinstating LangCleg after a temporary suspension, as you have done with others.

Or perhaps, consider reinstating her for a three-month trial period and then reviewing.

We know you will have realised, from the two other LangCleg threads, how much her wisdom and constant voice in support of robust safeguarding is welcomed by so many on this board. It is truly a great loss to us, and to the depth of discussion about such important matters.

We hope Justine that you might do two things:

  • Review what actually happened with LangCleg and decide whether it really was so dire that she deserves permanent expulsion, or whether perhaps there was an element of misunderstanding on your moderators' part (which Michaeel's post indicates may have happened) and, that perhaps she was being held to an inappropriately high standard compared to others
  • Review the process, so that strong voices on here are able to continue to be heard for the benefit of all Mumsnet users

Or perhaps do neither of those things, and just reinstate her because you recognise how important your other Mumsnet users find her.... I guess the equivalent of a Royal Pardon,

Please hear our voice.

And everyone on here, please do sign if you want LangCleg back - just that, a signature with any discussion continuing on the LangCleg 2 thread. A signature to say you want her back and hope that @JustineMumsnet will consider this.

Thank you - both my fellow mums netters and Justine

OP posts:
FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 25/01/2020 22:05

Good news GirlDownUnder Smile

Jargoyle · 25/01/2020 22:04

I don't think mumsnet owe anyone an apology or review of the situation, but if they genuinely feel they've made the wrong decision then that's for them to decide.

If somebody is 'rude and aggressive' to the point that the staff no longer want to deal with them (as has been asserted) then they're lucky to be given a second chance.

theflushedzebra · 25/01/2020 22:01

GirlDownUnder Wine

GirlDownUnder · 25/01/2020 21:58

UPDATE

I had reported this thread to MN, and as well as tell them I was saddened by their decision, I thanked them for continuing the conversation - after all, they don't have to.

I've had a response and MN are "...reading this thread of course - and will have a discussion about it when everyone is back in the office on Monday."

I know this doesn't mean all is OK, or even that Lang will want to come back.

Can we please lay off the derailing now - this thread and its message is too important to lose to people who are happy to see Lang gone.

GladAllOver · 25/01/2020 21:47

It's time HQ responded, one way or another.

Snoopypants · 25/01/2020 21:40

Signed

MrsLangOnionsMcWeetabix · 25/01/2020 21:01

Signed.

KateW73 · 25/01/2020 20:46

Signed

heathspeedwell · 25/01/2020 18:30

Signed.

HandsOffMyLangCleg · 25/01/2020 18:17

Mumsnet previously emailed and wrote this, in response to my query regarding deletions and strikes (as I wasn't being informed of my deletions):

*While we do operate a (slightly looser) three strikes and a suspension policy across the boards, we don't generally email about every single deletion if they aren't related to our trans guidelines or are an issue we think we need to speak to a poster about.

If you'd had lots of deletions we might send you a mail letting you know that your posting was causing an issue, though. So either way, you should get some form of warning.

Occasionally, a post is so bad, or we have serious concerns about a poster and we will go straight to a suspension.

We always encourage people to email in and let us know if they think that's happened. We're always happy to chat and hopefully sort things out.*

MN quotes 'trans guidelines' which refers to the previous sticky, which has now been corrected to reflect the discussion that is sex and gender (or gender and sex as MN lists it).

GinUnicorn · 25/01/2020 18:13

Signed

YoTheGinPussyOfStMawesOnThigh · 25/01/2020 18:13

Signed

HairyDogsOfThigh · 25/01/2020 18:11

Signed

EverybodyLangClegTonight · 25/01/2020 18:07

We’ll be introducing a three strikes system whereby users deleted more than three times in any rolling six week period will have their membership automatically suspended and we’ll then take a view as to whether they will have membership reinstated.

This was quoted on the other thread in site stuff.

drspouse · 25/01/2020 17:40

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 25/01/2020 17:02

If people didn't want it to go off topic, you'd think they'd just do as what you said, put signed or not signed instead of adding sentences minimising online abuse.
Not signed

Wereallsquare · 25/01/2020 16:59

Signed

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 25/01/2020 16:57

With respect this thread is for users to sign who want Lang back.

If you don't or disagree with this by all means "not signed" shows your stance and that's fine.

If however you wish to derail please start another thread.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 25/01/2020 16:49

Ohhhh so if they advocate for safeguarding they can be as abusive as they like then?
As that's how it comes across.

WeetabixBananaHipsterFFS · 25/01/2020 16:28

Signed with banana-scented gel pen.

nachthexe · 25/01/2020 16:19

Thanks train. Nothing like a good misquote deliberately made to stoke hatred. Your post says an awful lot about your intent here, Willis. Thanks for showing everyone.

LastTrainEast · 25/01/2020 15:55

@snowblight and @WotchaTalkinBoutWillis when you quoted this you both accidentally left off the important part at the end. No need to thank me.

"But I’m glad your moderators feel ‘safe’ from the dangerous literal violence of a typing voice advocating for safeguarding"

Purpletomato · 25/01/2020 15:08

signed

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 25/01/2020 14:52

I’m glad your moderators feel ‘safe’ from the dangerous literal violence of a typing voice

Jesus.You know abusive online behaviour/trolls is an actual thing, right? Rightly so.

BeanieSue · 25/01/2020 14:35

Signed