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PLEASE tell me you're all reading Invisible Women?!

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WyeWoman · 22/01/2020 17:56

I keep speaking to people about this amazing book by Caroline Criado Perez called Invisible Women! It is soooo bloody amazing!!
Link here: www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1113605/invisible-women/9781784741723.html

I need to discuss this with people. This woman is brilliant.

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squashyhat · 05/01/2021 13:57

I got it for Christmas but it's in the queue behind one I must finish for my book club. I'm looking forward to reading it.

SpiderGwen · 05/01/2021 13:55

I got it in hardback for myself when it first came out, sent friends/relatives 3 copies in hardback for Christmas 2019 and another 2 in paperback this Christmas just gone.

I think it’s one of the most important books in years. I think it should be required reading in high schools.

MedusasBadHairDay · 05/01/2021 13:54

My kindle copy has a huge number of highlights in it, it was so good. Think I'm going to need a physical copy too

CatVsChristmasTree · 05/01/2021 13:52

@RoyalCorgi

It's good to see this thread being revived - the book is really excellent and definitely worth a read.

I've also recently finished Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage. Another must read.

I'm waiting for the paperback as I want a physical copy so I can pass it on when I've read it. Got to wait until June though!
Scout2016 · 05/01/2021 13:50

It's great. I passed my copy on to MIL, who read and asked if she could pass it on. I was very happy about this, said yes of course! Then missed my copy and bought it again to re-read one day.
One thing though - I heard the author on one of those sciencey radio 4 programmes while I was driving a few months ago and some of the research she had used was being questioned and de-bunked a bit. (CC-P took the whole thing in really good grace.) What's bugging me is I can't remember which part of the book it was, and what the study was. Does anyone know?
Joan Smith's Home Grown is another fantastic book but again has the aspect of making you cross because there's the "it's women, they don't count" mentality again.
Half way through Irreversible Damage which is unravelling the threads of the whole mess in a very straight forward way.

RoyalCorgi · 05/01/2021 13:34

It's good to see this thread being revived - the book is really excellent and definitely worth a read.

I've also recently finished Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage. Another must read.

Newwayofthinking · 05/01/2021 13:25

I have just finished reading this book and it is utterly fantastic and shocking and sad and has made me so so so angry and forgotten.

I have now passed it on to my BF to read.

Anonymouse99 · 03/03/2020 22:50

I had the audiobook on pre-order and listened to it the day it came out as I was sitting in a hospital waiting room before an operation. The best and worst thing about it for me was noticing so much male bias that I didn’t see before.

Photosymphysis · 03/03/2020 21:09

Have namechanged since previous posts (as I do as a matter of routine).

Just finished the bit about car design and the inequality of crash outcome for women because they STILL don't properly collect data on actual women/female crash test dummies.

This is horrifying.

Especially when combined with only 14% of people in STEM are women, and all those stats on how unlikely they are to get funding at all, let alone to research things to do with women.

We're fucked. No wonder the yoof are trying to identify out of being female.

On the plus side, the paperback version of the book is out today/this week. Rather than lend my precious handbook of inequality, I'm going to buy a couple of paper back copies to lend to as many people as I can.

Deathraystare · 20/02/2020 12:46

Bum. Just tried to order it on Amazon but they put bloody prime in there so will have to wait . Pisses me off. We don't all want bloody prime.

crankysaurus · 18/02/2020 17:51

Yep. Saw her and got it signed too. She's good to listen to if you get a chance.

iheartspiders · 18/02/2020 17:17

I got so appalled at the safety and PPE thing I've joined the Fawcett Society (after a very brief google). Hopefully my little membership contribution will help to actually make change, otherwise there's no point in being outraged.

iheartspiders · 18/02/2020 17:15

It's out in paperback on 5th March - £8 on Amazon currently. If you have to wait till then, buy your own copy. It's going to be a good reference text to keep, I think.

RunSkipJump · 18/02/2020 16:55

I've got it reserved at the library - nearly at the top of the queue, started at no. 32.

catsnoozing · 18/02/2020 15:31

Yup, bought a copy last year; woman in local independent bookshop said it was very good and she'd just sold another copy the day before.

Dipping into it as it's packed with factual information, so I'm absorbing a bit at a time.

iheartspiders · 18/02/2020 13:11

Chapter 5, on PPE Shock why isn't this a big thing? Why are we letting women be at risk? Is this the kind of stuff WPUK and other organisations discuss and campaign for? Who can I give membership money to?

BinkySodPlop · 16/02/2020 19:40

I was talking to 2 female friends before Christmas, around the time of Maya and Harry's cases, and they - both engineers - surprised me by totally being on the TWAW bandwagon. Both were happy to give away women's rights as they didn't care / didn't use those services / hate all sports. We came to a very frosty compromise to not talk about it again. Met them both last weekend, and they had read this book. Total change! I think it was the seatbelts that did it. Stunned realisation that women's needs / rights etc are different and important, because we are different and important, and not just a smaller, weaker subset of men.

Lippysoutherner · 16/02/2020 18:20

I was thinking that...to buy it for some senior leadership people

iheartspiders · 16/02/2020 17:26

WIBU to buy copies of this for the female leadership staff at work?

(On chapter 3, the beginning of the workplace bit & women's extra unpaid and unrecognised work. I'm sure they know all this, but wow isn't it great to have it recognised!)

Actually, maybe I'd be better off buying copies for the men...

iheartspiders · 16/02/2020 14:18

Remembered I could google myself:

"Sexual harassment is unwanted behaviour of a sexual nature which:
• violates your dignity
• makes you feel intimidated, degraded or humiliated
• creates a hostile or offensive environment
You don’t need to have previously objected to someone's behaviour for it to be considered unwanted."

Why isn't that on posters on buses & trains?

iheartspiders · 16/02/2020 14:10

Sympathy, @BlueHarry

Anecdotal, I know, but I've had two male colleagues who've had their gall bladder removed seemingly only months after seeing a doctor. Yet many women seem to have to live with gall bladder issues for years before being taken seriously.

But I'm only up to chapter 2, in the bit discussing sexual harassment on public transport. There's a bit here: "women often aren't sure exactly 'what counts as sexual harassment and are afraid of the response of the authorities'".

We need to be teaching this in schools, don't we. This is sexual harassment: don't do it, and do report it.

But, as a woman who isn't sure what counts as sexual harassment, where do I find a list?

BlueHarry · 15/02/2020 16:29

Well not convinced that I'd lost my marbles...but it was like an internal battle going on in my head all the time. Am I making this up, am I imagining this, am I having a mental breakdown, am I lazy, etc, Vs no this thing is actually happening, this is real, I can't be imagining it, other people can see this, it's not just me, this is a real physical symptom, etc.

BlueHarry · 15/02/2020 16:26

I have experienced being told I was just mentally ill rather than physically having anything wrong with me by doctors over a health condition. I don't believe it would have taken me over 3 years and eventually private healthcare in order to get a diagnosis if I was a man, and I don't believe my gp would still ignore the factual evidence she now has in front of her telling her that I was born with an inherited genetic condition and continue to dismiss it and offer me antidepressants if I were male. I think I will get the book one day soon, but I understand that the book addresses the kind of thing I've just mentioned, and it is a touchy subject for me at the best of times. I was convinced I'd lost my marbles and it was not a good time.

SquishySquirmy · 15/02/2020 15:43

I just finished it... Loved it!

It's made me think again about an issue I came across at work last year (involving important emergency equipment that is, in my opinion, completely unfit for purpose for those who don't have an average, Caucasian male sized face).
I am unsure of how to escalate it... I raised it at the time, but nothing has been done since as far as I can tell. Ironically, the industry I work in is very safety conscious but no-one else seems to see the issue!

thehorseandhisboy · 15/02/2020 14:24

A friend bought it for my birthday last year. It's infuriating, funny, insightful and scary in equal measure.

It's also inspiring. How women have succeeded and kept it all together with these ubiquitous, structural disadvantages.

It's interesting to have laid out all many of the aspect of being a woman that aren't so desirable to identify into, and ponder why that is.