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PLEASE tell me you're all reading Invisible Women?!

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WyeWoman · 22/01/2020 17:56

I keep speaking to people about this amazing book by Caroline Criado Perez called Invisible Women! It is soooo bloody amazing!!
Link here: www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1113605/invisible-women/9781784741723.html

I need to discuss this with people. This woman is brilliant.

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BaileySharp · 29/10/2022 23:06

Yes I've read it! It's a great book though it did make me quite angry! I think everyone should read it

AlecTrevelyan006 · 29/10/2022 06:45

The crash test dummies designed for women drivers

AlecTrevelyan006 · 29/10/2022 06:44

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-62877930

Shedbuilder · 07/10/2021 09:11

It will, of course, be relevant to so-called transmen, who are women, of course.

MildredsMoustache · 07/10/2021 09:11

Yes absolutely to both! I was more musing in response to this earlier in the thread:

CCP, even while cataloging women’s sex-based oppression in minute and exhaustive detail, can’t afford to discuss gender identity and keep her audience. Her book has already been cancelled by some women studies departments / book clubs for being trans exclusionary (she says in the prologue that while trans women are women that this book is about the material ways in which being female impacts women - not good enough apparently).

What do the TRAs want?! Are we literally not allowed to discuss sex based oppression where it's relevant?

So far most of what I've read would be completely irrelevant to trans women (but would presumably be relevant to trans men/non-binary females).

KittenKong · 07/10/2021 09:10

I suppose that comment reinforces the whole premis of the book!

Shedbuilder · 07/10/2021 09:01

@MildredsMoustache

I'm a few chapters in.

I'd be genuinely interested to know how much of it is also relevant to trans women. I'm sure some of it is, but we're unlikely to ever really know. If we can't manage to gather stats about half the world's population properly, what are the chances of consistent meaningful recording of gender/trans status on top of that?!

None of it is relevant to transwomen because transwomen are men. The world is already designed around men. This book is about the effect of that on women.
KittenKong · 07/10/2021 08:54

It’s about women.

MildredsMoustache · 07/10/2021 08:50

I'm a few chapters in.

I'd be genuinely interested to know how much of it is also relevant to trans women. I'm sure some of it is, but we're unlikely to ever really know. If we can't manage to gather stats about half the world's population properly, what are the chances of consistent meaningful recording of gender/trans status on top of that?!

KittenKong · 05/10/2021 17:09

85p? Bargain! I have the hard copy but have been recommending it lots...

Manderleyagain · 05/10/2021 13:34

I've read it. Its excellent. Really worth it if anyone is wondering whether to spend 85p!

HummingBeeBox · 05/10/2021 12:36

Thanks, just got it

ChattyLion · 05/10/2021 12:34

I love the £10 bribe! Grin

3timeslucky · 05/10/2021 12:03

Love the book and the newsletter is worth the few quid each month (though there is a free version also I think).

ferretface · 05/10/2021 11:46

Thanks for the tip, just picked it up :)

Genesis1v27 · 05/10/2021 11:28

Invisible Women is one of today's Kindle daily deals on Amazon-co-uk - only £0.85.

DiscontentedWoman · 03/03/2021 22:58

Caroline does an excellent newsletter if anyone wants to sign up.

loveyouradvice · 03/03/2021 22:49

So brilliant - like others Im dipping in and have it by my bedside

Scout2016 · 03/03/2021 20:45

Thanks Miaowse, but nope,unfortunately not.

persistentwoman · 03/03/2021 20:31

Such a brilliant book. Well worth reading again.

Mollyollydolly · 03/03/2021 20:11

Great book. Every time I fasten my seat belt I think about it.

I noticed Irreversible Damage is back in stock on Amazon after being unavailable in physical form for months. Another must read.

Miaowse · 03/03/2021 19:43

Could this have been the Radio programme @Scout2016? I haven’t listened to it yet.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07ppqkt

CousinKrispy · 03/03/2021 17:23

Ooh I've just finished Irreversible Damage, very interesting and compassionate.

JKRismyhero · 03/03/2021 17:07

I read that, and difficult women consecutively. I enjoyed them both.

alwayslucky · 03/03/2021 13:12

Obviously proving it has been read and passing tests on comprehension should be a condition of taking or keeping any senior job paid from the public purse. (Starting with M.Ps) Then work down the pay grades. This is semi flippant, but truly, that level of ignorance is not acceptable. It is as though we have our country run entirely by and for Japanese speakers, on the assumption that everyone speaks, and is, Japanese.

Meanwhile, all teachers/lecturers and all students should have any qualification held conditionally pending confirmation, till they too have passed the test, with a final examination of "who is a real, full, human being, exactly equal to you?" The trick questions would be that those identifying as Bame would accept white English are the same as themselves, and everyone should accept that extremely old and extremely impaired of all ages are also equal. (The 'equality' parts of the online school lessons appear to assume a) racism can only ever be white against black and b) there is no such thing as ageism, while c) all aspects of disablism are dealt with by showing an extremely high functioning Downs syndrome actor)

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