Safeguarding re transgenderism discussion thread

Also LGBT Youth Scotland
www.lgbtyouth.org.uk/groups-and-support/

13-25 it is very common if not the norm.

What person in their right mind would group a 26-year-old man with a 14-year-old girl?

I think that is pretty common actually - see for example Prism in Coventry.

prismlgbtq.org/

Prism is Coventry’s LGBTQ+ Youth Group, offering a free weekly social group for LGBTQ+ young people aged between 13 to 21, from Coventry and the surrounding areas.

If you are over 21 then they say you would be welcome as a volunteer. Although at least they have a safeguarding policy on their website now, and all mentors / volunteers need to have DBS checks. Though of course these aren't infallible
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/charity-criticised-handing-senior-role-20731388

In case you haven't seen it, latest blog by Transgender Trend.

Both Diversity Role Models and Stonewall have access to my son's school and education now. Deeply disturbing.

www.transgendertrend.com/diversity-role-models-conformity-new-ideology/

Very important thread, janes.

I’m going to throw in the concept of the drag kid, in addition to the excellent points already raised. Desmond is Amazing and Lactatia (a swift google will supply all the details) are the most troubling examples of utter failures of any kind of safeguarding, the most basic of which is protecting children from adult and sexual environments and activities which are utterly unsuitable for children.

@rodgmum

Sorry if this has been mentioned in other threads but I'm pretty sure that schools applying Stonewall Law in relation to shutting out parents when dealing with a child with GID (or believed to have GID), viz:

Parental Responsibility is defined ins 3(1) Children Act 1989as being:

“all the rights, duties, powers, responsibilities and authority which by law a parent of a child has in relation to the child and their property”.

In practical terms Parental Responsibility means the power to make important decisions in relation to a child. This can include:

. determining the child’s education and where the child goes to school;

. choosing, registering or changing the child’s name;

. appointing a child’sGuardian (a Guardian can be appointed in court proceedings to act on behalf of the child who is the subject of the proceedings. A Guardian is usually a Cafcass officer who is appointed to ascertain the child's views and to conduct proceedings on the child's behalf. The court will only appoint a Guardian in particular circumstances, for example, when parents cannot represent the child's wishes, a report is insufficient or a child opposes a proposed course of action. A Guardian may also be appointed if there are serious allegations of harm.)

. consenting to a child’s operation or certain medical treatment;

. accessing a child’s medical records;

. consenting to taking the child abroad for holidays or extended stays;

. representing the child in legal proceedings;

. determining the religion the child should be brought up with. Where there is a mixed cultural background this should include exposure to the religions of all those with Parental Responsibility, until the child can reach an age where he/she can make their own decision on this.

Parental Responsibility is inalienable - it can only removed by court order. Schools do not acquire parental responsibility when the child is in school, even though they are said to be in loco parentis (which is actually meaningless in law).

Therefore, any decision taken in school to, for example, refer a child for counselling, call a child by a different name or discuss medical options with a child would, in my opinion, be actionable.

Parents can be a pain in the arse to a teen, but the ones who love the child most and mostly the ones who want the best for their child and want to protect them.

Who would gain from not protecting teens, who would lose?

It is an easy sell to teens... Parents are often the enemy anyway as we try to protect them, having been there done that.

Not going to keep every child safe, no. But it is something we can do. If it helps some children it will help. Maybe a bit like vaccination...the fewer children who are susceptible the less fast it may spread.

I suppose critical thinking skills may be useful for others. Why do you think they want you to do that? What do they want from you?

It's all about safeguarding.

Men can be a danger to women and children. Certain interest groups want this danger to be ignored and any protection for children, women and vulnerable people removed.

How can this be justified? Why are parent's concerns being ignored?

Wrote that before your post. But yes. There is some strict enforcement of stereotypes in day to day life.

I think one needs to start early with talking to children. Not conforming to gender stereotypes is just part of your individual personality and likes and dislikes. Dd is lucky in having a parent who models that in person, I do not do stereotype female. Being autistic, she is vulnerable to believing stuff. Thankfully she has found her crowd at secondary.

I think we need to go back to reminding our children about keeping secrets, which ones are good and which ones not so good. She is crap a it anyway.

written information on side effects was not supplied to minor upon request from parent and was viewed as an issue of concern ie transphobia in parent, minor requiring offers of housing support.

It is absolutely chilling every time I read another instance of this being done to parents, and I have now read dozens of them.
I can no longer believe that the people who exhibit this cult like behavior mean well. It is too familiar.

janeskettle

"Exempting any one group on 'sacred cow' status is dangerous to children."

This. Also vulnerable people who may be unduly influenced etc.

It's actually impossible for me to find a LBG or a T support group for minors here (big AU city) that doesn't mix adults and teens. You can have 14 yr olds attending the same groups as 26 yr olds.

Bloody hell that's a new thing, surely?

What person in their right mind would group a 26-year-old man with a 14-year-old girl?

Thank you for this thread, janeskettle.

I've just read the news on Lang and and in shock and posting carefully.

All I got is this.

I teach my kid not to lie so I'm not having a teacher teach my kid to lie.

That's all I've got.

I'm fuming.

Mentioning the NSPCC's safeguarding fails, to whit:

1. Endorsing Monroe B, known for soft porn photoshoots, who encouraged children to contact Monroe privately
2. Defending their employee who advertised masturbating in his fetish gear at work and on a work trip
3. Changing guidelines on abuse to say that it was only wrong if it made a child 'uncomfortable', thus blurring the lines.

NSPCC deliver training to schools on abuse, and reporting of abuse, and have statutory powers to remove children.

I think this belongs here:

4thwavenow.com/2019/01/26/my-trans-youth-group-experience-with-morgan-page/

Extracts:

Most of the time, the Trans Youth Group attendees were majority MTFs and “nonbinary” (NB) males. There was an upper age limit (somewhere between 21-25) but it was a pretty small group, usually fewer than 10 people; so when people aged out they just stuck around. I guess others learned that the age limit wasn’t being enforced because more and more older (30-40 year old) MTFs started to join.

I remember one day, there were three MTFs over 40 who were hitting on the teen FTMs, very explicitly. It was obviously making us uncomfortable, but almost no one ever said anything, only changed the topic or tried to engage them in a conversation away from us.

It was very common for the group to discuss the logistics of sex before and after SRS, kinky sex, and erotic fanfiction. I remember Morgan asking the three teens in the room, including me, if we were comfortable talking about this, but obviously we weren’t going to say no now that the conversation had already been started by these older people. I know of at least three FTMs who entered into relationships with older MTFs while in this group, all of which seemed very unhealthy to me. To me, FTMs under 18 dating or sleeping with (usually kinky) MTFs over 20 seemed very sexually exploitative. Healthy boundaries between adults and minors were foreign to this group, much like in the greater queer and trans community.