Douglas Murray on denunciations and Lawrence Fox

@BovaryX I was using the same analogy as the post I was responding to. Also no it doesn’t show ignorance of history, you however show your ignorance each time you post.

@BovaryX I do think the police would behave in the same way. How many men are prosecuted for travelling to countries known for sexual abuse of young girls? Gary Glitter being the most high profile.

@RoyalCorgi the issue is that the people who have views about sending people to concentration camps start out saying the same sort of things that Laurence Fox came out with. So I do believe his views should be nipped in the bud. He was wrong to say that Britain does not have an issue with racism and was called out for his lie. What’s wrong with that?

Perhaps you can explain the white privilege slogan to the girls in Rotherham?

Yep this ☝️ I'm sure they'll be very understanding.🙄

and we should firmly reject his right to do so.

He has every right to speak. Just as you do. I will never reject the freedom to speak.

No Bovary, I don't think they would, but then, what excuse would they have to hide behind if they didn't investigate? They couldn't claim there would be a white man race riot, could they? They did in the Rotherham case, because they had a convenient excuse to do nothing. Plus, they held the girls in question in utter contempt. Would they hold ethnic minority girls in similar contempt? Yes, on all the evidence, women of colour in the legal system, whether victims or criminals, are treated with utter contempt. We are not at cross purposes here. We are both accusing the police of institutional failures. We both agree that the girls were incredibly vulnerable and had next to no voice. I am the one saying they should have arrested and risked a riot, if that's what they genuinely thought would happen. I don't think they believed that for a minute.

And I don't care at all if you think I am belligerent or rude. One could say the same about Mr Fox. I prefer passionate and exasperated.

The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.'

R4 have a series os programmes about George Orwell this week. Interesting stuff.

Flinging insults like racism and transphobia is a fantastic way to avoid considering real, underlying issues. Demonising LF is a convenient way to avoid listening to what he said,

The absence of a disadvantage is not a privilege. The right to be judged according to the content of your charcater and not the colour of your skin is not a privilege. To describe equality of opportunity as a privilege is to endorse middle-class socio-economic hegemony.

The point of the concept of 'white privilege' is not that white people cannot have incredibly difficult and disadvantaged lives. The point is that their skin colour is not one of the things that makes their lives more difficult.

Abuse within south Asian communities is a great big dirty non-secret that nobody dares mention. The last time somebody tried, they broke the windows at the Birmingham Rep and the Blair govt. couldn't give a toss.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behzti

Where have I said that the racial aspect played no part? I am clearly saying it played a part, but not to give immunity to the perpetrators, who are habitually arrested for every other fucking crime that is rife in those communities. It was used as an excuse for incompetence and inaction by he police. You are incredibly credulous of the police, BovaryX. Do you believe everything they say as an excuse for their incompetence? Did you believe them when they said Hillsborough victims where football hooligans. Or did you think they might be using that one as a defensive shield?

If you take race out completely:

“Men were preying on vulnerable under-age girls”

there is no excuse for inaction.

Instead so many girls were let down and brutalised because of a perceived need to tiptoe around race.

My concern is that there is still more to come. Do we really believe these men went home to their wives and daughters and treated them much better. Not least we know where they were spending their time and money. Vulnerable white girls had no voice. Vulnerable Asian girls have none either. Equality of a sort. Because we prioritise the rights of one group (Asian men) over others?

And yes Bovary won MN today.

And go fuck yourself with your flippant BS, BovaryX, I'm actually from one of those communities, and if you think Pakistani girls aren't habitually abused too, you are deluded. But this too is left largely un-investigated because once again, the police don't want to stir the race pot and deal with "cultural sensitivities". Bollocks to that, a crime is a crime is a crime, and the police just do not want to deal with crimes against women.

I don't know why people who froth on this thread find it so hard to Google or research things.
I'm a white person. I don't know what it's like to live life as a person with black skin. My privilege is that when I go to a shop, or apply for a job, or drive my car, it is unlikely my skin colour will affect my experiences negatively. My "privilege" is that I don't have to think about it. I don't worry about a stop and search, I don't worry that recruiters look at my picture and think "she's not a good fit for this company". I get to live life without that mental load. That is a privilege.

White privilige does not mean all white people are better off than those of other skin colours. That is patently ridiculous. A black surgeon is better off than a unemployed white person. However has that black surgeon had the same opportunities to promotion/ professorship etc. as a white one? Is a black unemployed person less likely to get a job offer?

Class, income and education are all important determinants too. But it it also important to recognise the links between them all, as racism and racist societal structures can also determine those other factors.

I hope this helps those of you who genuinely wanted to know more. I know nothing about Rotherham as I haven't read the full investigation reports and wouldn't trust the tabloids to give the full story. But those girls were utterly failed and I hope the perpetrators are doing long long sentences.

Nope, not twisting in the wind or anything else, can't you read? Pakistani men preyed on poor white girls in care who were easy pickings. The police said they didn't want to stoke racial tensions so did nothing. I'm saying fuck that. If it's true there would have been race riots, then they should have stirred that pot, helped those girls, and drafted in the Home Office to help them out with reinforcements. However, if they didn't do it because helping women in distress seems to be very difficult for the police, and frankly, they don't seem to care that much, then crying they had no choice because of race is very convenient for them. It's like the reverse race card. It deflects attention away from police incompetence and neglect to the notion that certain sectors of society have some sort of get out of jail free card. Which h is clearly not the case as men from the same community are constantly under surveillance and arrested for terrorism and drug crime, with no ensuing civil unrest or stoking of racial tensions.

BovaryX

"Perhaps you can explain the white privilege slogan to the girls in Rotherham?"

I am struggling to think of a better reply than that.