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Rape Statistics

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ClimbEveryLadder · 20/01/2020 11:51

So a male 'friend' is insisting a friend of his who was found guilty of rape and sexual assault against more than one women was 'set up' and is innocent really.

So I'd really like some statistics readily to hand on estimated percentages

  • rapes actually reported to the police.
  • rapes reported actually prosecuted
  • rapes where perpetrator found guilty

To try and highlight the actual percentage likelihood of his friend being wrongly convicted

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toothfairy73 · 21/01/2020 21:10

Of course, good luck @ClimbEveryLadder. Sending you lots of love. If you ever feel you need some support there are excellent resources here:
warriorwomen.org.uk/useful-resources/

Take good care of you. Self care tips here:

warriorwomen.org.uk/self-care/

I really recommend the sexual violence helpline run by rape crisis. Open every day and I always felt better afterwards xx

ClimbEveryLadder · 21/01/2020 20:15

I never felt like the administrators didn't believe me, I just felt they didn't care from link above

This simple powerful statement has moved me to tears, tears for that faculty member , for me and for everyone that's has been raped. For those that didn't get justic as well as for those that did see their attacker convicted as nothing undoes what they did.

Thank-you again especially toothfairy I'll be quoting a lot of those sources in some of my discussions going forward.

I'm also going to NC again. So when I don't comment again I haven't gone away I just don't want to leave too easy a trail.

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toothfairy73 · 21/01/2020 17:16

I've just seen this www.thecut.com/article/false-rape-accusations.html

toothfairy73 · 21/01/2020 05:57

@ClimbEveryLadder

I'm in awe of women who manage to make their way through the process.

it was incredibly hard but I had amazing support from Rape Crisis, the ISVA's are amazing and we took baby steps, one step at a time

@Prawnofthepatriarchy
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You must feel so proud of yourselves*.

I still can't believe that we finally did it. I have moments of feeling incredibly proud. My little me (if that makes sense) is proud. Especially when I remember seeing him for the first time at the verdict (I had been behind a screen before then). He stared up, and I just glared at him until he looked away. I did not take my eyes if him once. Every time he shook his head i nodded.

toothfairy73 · 21/01/2020 05:28

@ClimbEveryLadder that's the thing about sex offenders; they often don't appear to be evil. They look like you and me. They are charming. Manipulative. The man we put away was convicted of crimes over a 30 year period. There will be many more. People don't stop until they are stopped. Even now I'm sure the man that abused us thinks it has been a huge miscarriage of justice. I was there for the verdict (at the second trial) and sentencing. He just kept shaking his head. Even when the judge called him a serial predatory paedophile he was in complete denial, and I think that denial makes them even more dangerous as they will not take responsibility for their actions

Creepster · 21/01/2020 04:12

Sep 16, 2019 - The first experience with sexual intercourse for more than 3 million U.S. women was forced in their early teens, according to a new study.

Wonder what the number is in the UK.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 21/01/2020 04:02

That's an amazing achievement by the five of you, toothfairy73. You must feel so proud of yourselves. Sad that you should have to, but even so.

ClimbEveryLadder · 21/01/2020 00:31

toothfairy73 well done all of you, I'm in awe of women who manage to make their way through the process.

Goosefoot very well put & I agree

I knew my 'friends' friend, he very much wasn't evil in all aspects, and I think the chances of reoffending extremely low but I can't cope with the denial.

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toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 19:22

@Summerhillsquare thank you. It took all 5 of us but not all us got justice. We are determined to use what we learnt to help others and make a difference. The first time we met we drank ALOT of Prosecco

Goosefoot · 20/01/2020 19:17

Its maybe worth pointing out that there are many people who struggle with the reality that someone who seems to be a good person in many areas of their life can be a very bad person in some other area. They can deal with people who are generally consistent, or where they can see that the seemingly good or bad qualities are due to some mitigating factor, or are superficial.

But what they can't really get their minds around is that someone who is largely a bad person can in fact have some real good qualities which are genuine, or that someone who is basically good can have some truly evil aspect to their character.

When they have a situation where they know a person who seems to mix both of these elements, they have to come down on one side or the other. Either what they saw that seemed good about the person was always untrue, or what seems bad is untrue.

I've come to the conclusion as I've aged that a lot more people than I suspected think this way.

Summerhillsquare · 20/01/2020 19:01

That is an amazing achievement @toothfairy73, well done!

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 18:48

@ClimbEveryLadder I'm so sorry this happened to you. I was sexually abused (including raped) as a child. Someone told me I had a responsibility to report it. I made it clear the only person who was responsible was him. I was very clear I wasn't going to report it, didn't want to put myself through it, and then about 5 years ago I started thinking about it. I did report it. Didn't think I ever would. I don't think anyone should pressurise anyone. It's such a personal difficult decision. They found other victims. There were 5 of us. He denied it (I think that's why I was thinking they didn't know each other; we didn't. We had a trial in July 2018 last year and there were 3 not guilty counts and a hung jury on the rest. We had a retrial (he got away with the 3 counts due to double jeopardy). There was a retrial January 2019 and he was found guilty on every count and got 16 years. We are all now in touch and have set up a website to help other survivors warriorwomen.org.uk/

siring1 · 20/01/2020 18:34

The national statistics will prove nothing about an individual case.

The only facts that matter are those relating directly to this case.

ClimbEveryLadder · 20/01/2020 17:02

toothfairy I understand the women did know each other, as it wasn't stranger rape. It will have been clear to the jury they knew each other and the police, cps and jury were satisfied there was no risk of collusion.

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ClimbEveryLadder · 20/01/2020 16:57

Thank-you all for your comments, I agree.

Toothfairy those links are brilliant thank-you

Honestly I don't expect to change his mind but I want to feel I've provided my reasons why I don't believe in his friend's innocence.

FWIW I'm in those statistics of not reporting being raped to the police. I don't want anyone telling me I owe/owed it to other women to do that. I was drugged by 2nd man, only have flashbacks with huge gaps in what I could remember and had no physical evidence. I wasn't prepared to traumatise myself further with a case that even if I was believed had no chance of going to court.

My not 'friend' doesn't know this and I have no intention of sharing this info with him. No one in my life knows.

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toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 16:55

Yep, he would have to be very unlucky to be set up by multiple women who presumably don't know each other.....

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 20/01/2020 15:02

I agree with PP that your "friend" is unlikely to give any serious consideration to stats you find for him. He just doesn't want to believe it.

However you say his mate was found guilty of rape and sexual assault against more than one women and I think I might point out that whereas you do get miscarriages of justice they're very unusual when there are multiple convictions.

I mean a bloke might be wrongly convicted of murder but not a lot of serial killers turn out to be innocent.

CharlieParley · 20/01/2020 14:51

To add to the excellent points above, research conducted through interviews with convicted rapists as well as men in general, show that those most likely to rape or who have raped do not accept that what they did is rape. Their overwhelming conviction is that they had the right to force the woman, for any number of reasons. And there is no end of excuses, all of which are regularly used in defenceof alleged rapists in court.

I would cut a guy like that from my life PDQ. False accusations are already highly unlikely, a false conviction is rarer still. (And some convictions are overturned on appeal not because the guy turns out to be innocent, but because of procedural irregularities, denial of due process etc.)

Barearseloverofthigh · 20/01/2020 14:37

Thank you for recommending that Lang. Imo, a film well worth making and watching.

It's understandable that some men, initially, don't want to believe that their male friends are capable of raping someone. It's such a horrific thing. But i'd feel very suspect of a man who goes on to say that the victims made it all up. To my mind this is another act of brutality against the victim and men who do this are enabling rapists to get away with it.

LangCleg · 20/01/2020 12:50

Get him to watch this (he won't, you should unfriend, like, yesterday):

www.my5.tv/raped-my-story/season-2017/raped-my-story

PlanDeRaccordement · 20/01/2020 12:45

To try and highlight the actual percentage likelihood of his friend being wrongly convicted

To find chance of wrong conviction for rape you simply compare number convicted with number exonerated on appeal. You don’t need the number of rapes reported etc etc. I can’t find the statistic now, but swear it was less than 5% of convicted rapists are later found to be innocent.

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:39

*that

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:33

This is a really good video thar explains it

toothfairy73 · 20/01/2020 12:31

I really believe that rather than false allegations and false memory syndrome there is "false innocence belief" syndrome. It's easier to believe that your friend has been set up than come to terms with the fact that your friend is a rapist that looks like you and me, doesn't have 3 heads and he didn't sense anything was wrong. That makes the world far too scary