Teenage girls identifying as boys

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LayAllYourLoveOnMe · 20/01/2020 08:59

Morning everyone I’m still struggling to articulate my own thoughts on this. When I do discuss the issue with friends in real life I feel like I’m parroting things that have been said on this forum

I’ll be grateful for (more) help getting my thoughts in order

I think the starting point is that being born a girl brings unique challenges especially as your body grows and changes in the teenage years. boys and men respond to that (helped by other females) and use a variety of techniques to put you and keep you in your place.

The grey area for me – the area I’m struggling with – is that I can see that a teenage girl who identifies as a boy may well have positive even logical aspirations and aims. The girls who would’ve been tomboys or androgynous in previous eras are likely to come from the same subset of young women who identify as trans today .

I think the essence of objections to this in this forum are that these young women are being mis-sold a solution by people whose motives range from well-intentioned to really dark. What distinguishes us from previous generations of concerned older women? After all this is a story as old as time .

I can see two potential distinguishing features. firstly, all these changes come ultimately from changes in plastic surgery technology and social media technology. Both of these operate to mask the extreme nature of the hormonal and surgical interventions that are on offer. Yet they are extreme and there is a real risk to health. Secondly those institutions that in previous generations would’ve naturally taken on the guardianship/conservative role are failing to do so and indeed often doing the opposite. This leaves the older women as the only people taking the long view and perhaps that is why we are targeted for attack.

Any thought welcome.

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rocketmen · 20/01/2020 16:04

Who in the world is saying you can't be a non stereotypical female, you must be male? I'm very deep into trans activism myself and I have never seen anybody forcing a gender on anybody, just people being supported no matter what they are. If they suddenly realise they weren't trans they aren't kicked out of the tribe or something.

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LayAllYourLoveOnMe · 20/01/2020 14:02

I feel the same Dill.

You could say that some of my behaviours as a youngster were products of an internalised misogyny .... (trying not to be "down among the women" but instead to get ahead, to where the men were) but there was no question of any plastic surgery beyond piecing and pinning back my ears. And there was no question of hormone therapy.

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DillBaby · 20/01/2020 13:40

I was a tomboy with stereotypical boys interests. I felt uncomfortable with how I was treated as a female and the restrictions that were placed on my behaviour, and I felt very uncomfortable with the pressure to adjust and become more stereotypically female. I think it’s very likely that if I was a young teen today I’d identify as male. Not because I particularly felt male, but simply to escape from the unwelcome pressures and restrictions of being female and the constant social pressure to be more girly. Back then it wasn’t an option of course.

Worryingly I think there are groups and ideologies around today that would have pressured and convinced me to identify as male. You aren’t allowed to just be a non-stereotypical female - you must be male. And others are frightened to speak up in opposition to that viewpoint. As I got older I learned to cope with not being a stereotypical female, but it takes age and maturity to not give a shit about other people’s expectations and opinions.

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LayAllYourLoveOnMe · 20/01/2020 12:56

definitely more succinct than my thoughts!!

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Mumma1245 · 20/01/2020 12:41

If she has the V, don't stick her on the the T

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