Kicked out of club for wearing LGB Alliance Tshirt

Or threats against anyone speaking out - the recent one on social media against Harry the Owl was actually very sinister and vile.

that t-shirt is basically saying to trans people ‘At best, I think you’re deluded, at worst, Nazis’.

That seems like radical interpretation of the text....

essentially this is the message the T have imposed on the LGB, particularly the L: you may be homosexual if you're very quiet about it, make all the right noises we tell you and do exactly as we say.

Some homosexual people don't find this acceptable. This is homophobia. This is a group standing up for homosexual people and lobbying to ensure any laws passed are not homophobic.

Conflict of opinions going on, but this is what happens when you want your fundamental rights to be those stripped from other people. The people whose interests you are abusing are under no compulsion to be deferentially nice to you while you do it, or indeed be expected to behave better towards you than you feel entitled to behave towards them.

Have you yet seen any homosexual person try to get someone in a Stonewall t shirt flung out of a bar? It's rather like asking have you yet seen a GC woman make rape threats against anti woman activists? It isn't the opinions or the messages or the lobbying; it's the behaviour that is unacceptable.

FFS this was a nightclub. I'd understand the argument about it being disingenuous if someone had rocked up to a Stonewall committee meeting, but it was a club. For gay people. A club.

And the flip side of that argument is that some are not capable of accepting reality and believe in magic.

Society must not overhaul its laws and social conventions (which are based on sound arguments and reality) to placate the few who are steeped in magical thinking, no matter how deeply held or genuine their belief.

There is nothing kind in encouraging an anorexic in their deeply held belief that they are overweight is valid and that they should be encouraged to keep dieting and starving themselves due to their inability to accept reality.

There is nothing kind in encouraging someone with body dysmorphia that their deeply held belief that aspects of their face or body are hideous and that they should be encouraged to keep having cosmetic and plastic surgery after surgery due to their inability to accept reality.

There is nothing kind in encouraging someone with schizophrenia that the voices they are hearing in their head are real or that they are actually the Messiah and that they should be encouraged to follow any paranoid thoughts or feelings due to their inability to accept reality.

There is nothing kind in telling someone that yes they can actually change sex with hormones and surgery or that their deeply held desire and beliefs about being the opposite sex means they have an unquestionable right to insert themselves into single sex spaces and claim various resources and services for themselves.

We can show compassion for people who are struggling with reality without encouraging such beliefs and going along with whatever is said. The way to deal with such delusions is to keep stating the truth and focusing on reality. When people are struggling with their perceptions, they need the help of those around them to be reminded to ground themselves in what is real and true.

If those on the gender identity bandwagon are willing to be honest with themselves and the general public that they are immersed in magical thinking and that they believe in gender souls that inhabit all of us, then gender identity ideology should be classed as a religious belief and treated accordingly by society.
You can have your belief in gender souls, but you don't get to impose your magical thinking in schools in attempts to indoctrinate and recruit young recruits. You don't get to impose your magical thinking on public bodies and institutions and demand that laws place your beliefs above everyone else's. And you don't get to scream at those who disagree with you or threaten and intimidate them or assault them, or try to get them fired from their jobs, call organisations hate groups etc.

And if that's what they do when we have social conventions 'protecting' us, how much worse will it be when those conventions are taken away.

YY, exactly.

Probably not some where the males can see into the female toilet without them knowing. Unlike G1 group had in one of their establishments.

That story has made me really leery using toilets in bars and clubs.
It actually makes me cross that I even have to doubt my privacy and that some men are so bloody amoral.

And if that's what they do when we have social conventions 'protecting' us, how much worse will it be when those conventions are taken away.

they formed in a split from Stonewall because trans people were pissing them off

No, because they didn't agree with the direction Stonewall were going in and considered it homophobic in some cases.

So there you go, thread peeps!

That's some sensible tweet - thanks Eresh

And which toilets will they be using at LGB Alliance HQ?

Probably not some where the males can see into the female toilet without them knowing. Unlike G1 group had in one of their establishments.

Joanna Cherry, QC, the SNPNP_ MP for Edinburgh South West, said: “Throwing someone out of a bar and refusing them a service on grounds of their sexuality is a breach of the Equality Act. Basically saying you can’t be a lesbian unless you’re my kind of lesbian, from a man, is unacceptable.”^

So there you go, thread peeps!

that t-shirt is basically saying to trans people ‘At best, I think you’re deluded, at worst, Nazis

That's quite some reach

that t-shirt is basically saying to trans people ‘At best, I think you’re deluded, at worst, Nazis

Can you please explain with clarity how an LGB shirt in anyway invokes Nazis?

Why would they think that T-shirt suggests they are Nazis, unless they recognise the trans narrative, shutting down debate, demanding the removal of books, stopping academics speaking, sending threats to anyone hosting women’s group, trying to get people sack is reminiscent of facism? If so, then surely they would also recognise that having a young woman thrown out of a club for wearing a T-shirt onto which they have projected this understanding merely supports it?

You are not good at gotchas
It wasn't meant to be a gotcha
You know people are capable of disagreeing with you without it being a case of trying to catch you out, right?

Some are capable of accepting reality and are proud to be trans, knowing that their personal decisions don't magically transform them into the opposite sex

And the flip side of that argument is that some are not capable of accepting reality and believe in magic.

And along with the ‘the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing’ theme, that t-shirt is basically saying to trans people ‘At best, I think you’re deluded, at worst, Nazis’.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis
Bad example. You are not good at gotchas
It would be the same if an event for all Manchester football clubs insisted Man U tshirts also included support for Man City

Wow. The homophobia exhibited by some on this thread is shocking - slandering an organisation simply because they representing people who are same sex attracted!

And which toilets will they be using at LGB Alliance HQ?

The ones that everyone else uses outside of the woke bandwagon - toilets are segregated by sex, not gender, you know. It's a global standard.

Trans people are not a monolith. Some are capable of accepting reality and are proud to be trans, knowing that their personal decisions don't magically transform them into the opposite sex. And they know that sexual orientation is a thing, and it's what human beings base their attraction on.

Trans people who are L or G or B and aren't in denial about biological sex and sexual orientation would find the aims of LGB Alliance resonate with them.

In the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/polo-lounge-clubber-ejected-over-anti-trans-campaign-t-shirt-xvvtd6stl?shareToken=48004fd3b06fb33eaa19e205fec8b064

What strikes me about this is that the actions of the club uphold the twin problems that LGB Alliance is not to be given a chance AND that anyone pro-trans gets to call the shots and can never, ever be encouraged towards tolerance of those who consider sex before gender.

The idea that one section of this community automatically rules, and that the entire community MUST adhere to the belief that gender trumps sex is one of the problems breaking this community apart.

And for those mentioning football T-shirts... I think this club is in Glasgow. Football T-shirts are almost certainly banned for fear of sectarian violence.

but you'd be a bit of a wally to wear a Man Utd shirt to a Man City match and not expect people to take issue with it

Nope. A more accurate analogy is if Man Utd shirts were deemed hate slogans like many of the Twitter mob have asserted about LGB. And every single Man Utd match had to contain Man City fans, irrespective if City were playing As RedToothBrush has eloquently argued, this is about the influential lobby who are using spurious charges of hate speech to bully women into capitulating to male dictates on their sexuality. The fact that this is happening in the 21st century, supported by a choir of useful woke idiots? Quite astonishing

Lesbians have already been thrown out of pubs for wearing similar

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/08/legal-action-launched-row-national-theatre-lesbian-group/

Are you claiming that an organization for Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual people that includes transsexual and transgender people who are Lesbian, Gay, or Bisexual, has to put Transgender in their name or they deserve to be publicly harassed?

LGB Alliance have actually said that trans people are permitted to join

And which toilets will they be using at LGB Alliance HQ? The same ones as at the nightclub or are you expecting a different crowd?

I was using Niemöllers’ quote in relation to individual responsibility

I’m not sure you can use a famous quote about resistance (or lack of) to the Nazis and object when someone points out it’s about the Nazis.

First they came to clarify some legislation about toilet use...not quite the same level.