Jess Phillips throws GC women under the bus

Two perfectly reasonable comments deleted now.

They deleted my comment. I think it's disgraceful. Jess is stuck in the Twitter echo chamber. She refuses to see the GC POV. It would do her some good to see the anger of women over being ignored, abused and harassed.

The emperor has new clothes indeed.

I'm glad someone got in "Can you define woman?" before MN stepped in and said no more gender questions.

I think you're right Absinthe.
If she is GC and pro women, this stunt shows her to be lacking in courage and/or moral spine. Either way, she is not leadership material.

I genuinely couldn't give a shit which one of them wins the leadership contest. None of them can lead the party to a GE win and none of them will be any good for women. It's painful to me to say this.

I asked Jess about post liberalism, the leftist section of which is pretty much the politics of the lost Red Wall voters (soon to be followed by the Midland Muslims if you ask me, so Jess had better watch out due to her seat) and who are decidedly Unwoke.

The really disappointing thing is that Jess Phillips obviously does get it. She is (like most intelligent critical thinkers) instinctively GC and pro-women. That she has changed tack doesn't show that she's 'learned more' or whatever flannel she gave JD, but that she's realised that standing up for women, even with caveats and qualification and and soothing of ruffled rainbow feathers, doesn't play out well on social media. It's total capitulation, or vilification.

She's sold her core beliefs and principles for woke cookies. I think she'll come to see that as a grave error of judgement in the long term.

Jess Philips is a shallow, loud, talentless liar who would sell out all women for the labour leadership

JP -In the debate about trans rights – there shouldn’t be any debate

Just like Harry the Owl mentioned #nodebate

Nope - the debate is about protecting legally enshrined women’s rights.

Shame on JP.

JD *She (JP) retweeted a notoriously anti-trans organisation who seek to bar women like me from single-sex spaces and revoke the hard earned rights of transgender people.

• It’s an organisation who exist solely to limit my movements in public and try remove the few rights that I do have*

So Juno has hard worn rights and few rights - both mentioned in the article. Which one is it?

What rights (and limitations on movement in public) does Juno not currently have that is afforded to the rest of the population - apart from demanding the right to invade spaces designed for the safety, dignity and privacy of women and girls??

What was the tweet / and which is the ‘notoriously anti-trans organisation’ who originally sent it?

Aw great, she was my favourite but Lisa has taken over for me.
Great Northern women, what not to like.
Not sure who I'm voting for yet, depends what she has to say.
Really looking forward to this.

MNHQ have already asked people to stop posting any gender identity/sex questions on the Web chat thread. So any smart questions devised now most likely will be removed.

Ffs I didn’t realise she was chasing the pink vote. After her speeches in parliament,I really thought she of all people could tell the difference.

Thanks thepurported

1. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.

Yup, it's prejudiced to have concerns about women's rights, but questions are ok - I guess we're supposed to ask men?
Dawson scolded her for retweeting WPUK, ffs.

I look forward to Jess announcing Jess's pronouns. The suspense is killing me!

How about, given the need for all children at school to be safe (stats about the shocking levels of assaults, etc) how would you ensure that facilitates meet the needs of all? Inc GNC and religious requirements for single sex.
Similar with PHSE - given the furore in Birmingham recently, would you support more guidance from Govt to schools in this area and be willing to listen to the concerns from parents regarding certain topics.

questions are fine, concerns are prejudiced

That's a really strange thing to say, isn't it? Women are allowed to be ignorant and ask questions. They are not allowed to have an opinion on the answers, is the only way I can read that.

Which rule of misogyny is that one, again?

I wonder if Phillips would be up to answering questions on why 13 elected. MSPS aer to afraid to be named when they attend a meeting on GRA reform

And why women meeting to disc uss women’s rights have to keep location secret in fear of violence against them

To quote Juno Dawson from the interview:

questions are fine, concerns are prejudiced

Wow.

I couldn't read on after that. So, women are allowed to ask questions about having men in their spaces, but they have to accept the patronising platitudes about 'kindness' they're given in reply. Fear or PTSD reactions due to past assault/abuse by men are bigoted.

Right. Got it.

a MN webchat, is the closing date for joining the party in order to vote Well, that IS interesting.

I am an ex member - left after Lily Madigan became women's officer and then felt justified after the policies to take away my rights to single sex spaces became clear.

I'd rejoin if there was a strong voice who'd support my right to have a smear done by a female HCP if that's what I requested.

Wish a pp hadn’t jumped the gun with the GC question.

We are only allowed to raise an issue once and HQ will delete/ban posters who keep asking the same question. Just feel it could have been specifically worded (ie with a real life example of one of the obvious self ID problems) to present weaselly noncommittal answers or ‘special difficult cases’.

Dear goddess, what an embarrassment.

Incidentally, those of you considering joining or rejoining the Labour Party or an affiliated union in order to have a say in the leadership election might want to remember that Jan 20th, when JP is giving a MN webchat, is the closing date for joining the party in order to vote. Just putting it up there.

Good that she is doing a chat.
Let's think of some smart questions. Avoid the usual which get filtered out anyway and be specific about issues pertinent to women's health, safety, etc.

Callme see this thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3593346-DV-Select-Committee-contributor-wants-to-browse-adult-sites-on-train-wifi?pg=1&order=

...in a cosy chat with Juno "a lot of gay men are gay men as a consolation prize because they couldn't be women" Dawson. How very progressive.