@exWifebeginsAgainat46 such vitriol for a woman who holds a different opinion. the irony is delicious. You haven't offered an opinion. You've just attacked the posters and called them Nazis. What did you expect to happen, really, if you drop into a thread just to insult people, while offering no views at all?
For the record: you can support trans rights, and still recognise women need to be identifiable as a sex class, because if that is removed, there's no way to assert rights, either. Women deserve and need spaces based on sex, and to be allowed to assert boundaries based on sex. That doesn't mean trans people should be refused access based on their own natal sex, and nor does it mean that their transition should reduce their rights to equal treatment in all areas where sex is irrelevant, under the law. The Equality Act and 2004 GRA both do just that. And it's that balance that is now being removed, if the transactivists have their way. Women have a right to a view on that, and to object, and it's not bigotry to suggest that stakeholders should be heard.
If you have strong views on this, which I am assuming from your insults you do, I'd be interested in hearing them. But you've not expressed any, so I don't really know what your position is based on.
Personally, I'm grateful Mumsnet allow this to be discussed. I agree some views are transphobic (some on the employment thread, and some sneering at the idea that someone with gender dysphoria might find periods upsetting, for example, I disagreed with) but that doesn't mean some views from transactivists aren't misogynist, too - and there are plenty of rape and death threats being made, which I've never seen the other way.
Those in good faith need to find some way to reach a workable situation, because frankly I don't want someone who is natally male performing an intimate exam, and I don't think women in prison should be incarcerated alongside natal males either. They deserve better. I don't think natal males belong in women's sport, and I don't think unisex loos and changing rooms are acceptable when you look at the hugely increased rates of assault. Those views aren't based on hatred for anyone. They are based on my belief that any group fighting for their rights is entitled to centre that group. Nobody expects Black Lives Matter to centre transwomen, or disabled people, and nor do they expect Scope to centre black people or transwomen, either. Women are expected, always, to shove up and embrace the needs of others, and that is inherently misogynist. As, in fact, is the suggestion that a site for mothers is therefore inevitably mindless, and unsuited to proper discussion. None of that sort of abuse is going to enable anyone to reach some sort of reasoned understanding, is it - so what's the point?
I'd be genuinely interested in knowing what your views are - especially if you honestly think transwomen are women. I've never had anyone explain that belief - it's always made as a statement, and then no explanation proffered. To me, it's self evidently untrue, but I'm more than happy to be afforded an explanation, if you have one. But I am so fed up with people just screaming at one another. It achieves precisely nothing but resentment, and mutual radicalisation.
I have one kid diagnosed as autistic and the other on the diagnostic pathway, so jury is out. There are a lot of ways adolescence is especially, and dramatically, worse for ASD kids than others, and ways in which they're very vulnerable to a simple, one-size-fits-all answer to their sense that they're wrong in the world and their bodies (you might want to google interoception, if you're not familiar with that), that they don't seem able to accord with their peers, and that they can't cope with either transitions, or major change. Autistic people are also considerably likelier to be gay. I don't have any hate at all for the large, and exponentially increasing, numbers of transitioning autistic girls - the reverse, I feel deeply protective. But it worries me very much, given the number of autistic adult women I know who say they'd have transitioned, and are so glad they were teenagers in the last century when it wasn't a suggestion, because they're very happy as gay adult women. Genuinely gender dysphoric people tend to be so from very young, is my understanding, and rapid onset is fairly new as a phenomena. And 90% desist once adolescence kicks in, unless you use puberty blockers, when almost none desist. There are real questions around this - plenty of whistle blowing is going on. Why is worrying about that Nazi?
It's a bit much, to assume that you know all the motivations, thought processes, and backgrounds of people who happen to disagree with you. For the record, my own concerns don't mean I think the legal protections trans people have should be diluted. I just don't think those for women should be, either... and I think we need robust research and evidence on what is going on with children and young people, especially when autistic, and to what extent social contagion is an issue.
You seem to think these concerns are unacceptable. I'm sorry to hear that, but it doesn't make them go away. I'd actually like to be able to hold views that are more aligned with the transactivist movement, because those would be a lot simpler, as someone who's been on the left all my life. I campaigned against Section 28 when I was a teenager. I supported and argued for the GRA. But these are conflicting, competing rights, and there is complex ethical thought necessary over starting children on a pathway towards lifelong medical treatment and possible mutilation, and who the hell should not be concerned about that?
I'd gladly talk to you. But you aren't going to achieve anything just by dropping into threads to abuse people - unless that makes you feel good, in which case, okay. Life is tough, so whatever gets you through.