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Jess Phillips throws GC women under the bus

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watermelonpeas · 17/01/2020 10:54

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/01/17/jess-phillips-labour-leadership-transgender-rights-juno-dawson-pinknews-interview/

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Michelleoftheresistance · 19/01/2020 10:14

She is standing squarely behind a policy that removes the right of any female at any time to be able to have any privacy from any male that wishes to be present, regardless of how vulnerable, humiliated or frightened that may make that female. All females must poo beside males. Pee beside males. Undress beside males. Sleep beside males. Accept intimate care from males. Accept this and get your pants off, and don't let the male see you cry or it's a hate crime.

Or, for the many females who can't and won't tolerate this - many for protected characteristic reasons - those females lose access to female single sex services.

In order to provide people born male with a choice of two services to use, and to make sure that their feelings are respected.

Words fail. Leaving aside the whole homophobic aspects, racist aspects, anti faith aspects, anti safeguarding aspects - Jess, there is no point in you worrying about women having to sell access to their bodies to males, when you're depriving women of any bodily respect, privacy or equal humanity. You are rendering females a subclass. A subordinate class.

Own it. If you are going to do these abhorrent things, have the guts to face those females and face up to the realities of what you are doing to them.

Justhadathought · 19/01/2020 09:50

I think there are quite a few places where she disagrees with Dawson's nonsense and indicates some understanding of what the TRAs are like

Maybe, but she's still, necessarily, pre-committed to policies and 'stuff' she's already said in public and on record, and has lobbied for.

donquixotedelamancha · 19/01/2020 09:46

I think there are quite a few places where she disagrees with Dawson's nonsense and indicates some understanding of what the TRAs are like:

I think in what has become a culture war, one thing that always worries me is this the source of the controversy. The source of the controversy, sometimes, is people suggesting that we have to remove the word “women” from things like sanitary products and that we have to change the way that we talk about literally everything.

no trans person I have ever met said that they didn’t want me to use the term “breastfeeding”, or to talk about my periods.

I worry that groups of people who, maybe have good intentions of inclusion, it creates a fight that is then being really, really damaging

The reality for me is that I will never think that a person procuring sex is the same as consent...I still very much believe that a model where we criminalise people who think it’s OK to buy sex is the one that I would favour.

Justhadathought · 19/01/2020 09:42

Personally, after having seen her performance in an interview with Andrew Neil the other day - I rate Lisa Nandy above all of the candidates. Unlike the others she does not have such an obvious profile n/or obvious association with the Corbyn leadership or cabinet. She seems to tell it like it is, without having committed herself to policies or ideas that she does not hold to be true or believe in.

Jess Phillips is too tainted and 'associated', plus she would not be a convincing leader on an international level. Kier Starmer will probably win the leadership election, but I hope Lisa Nandy is given senior role, and hence more experience for a future leadership bid.

Cuntysnark · 19/01/2020 09:20

I think I’m out of words 😶

PegasusReturns · 19/01/2020 09:12

@cunty she’s also pitching herself as the only person who stood up against antisemitism- which feels grossly hypocritical given her failure to confront misogyny

Cuntysnark · 19/01/2020 09:07

I’ve just posted this on the chat thread. Probably more appropriate here.

I’m just watching Jess on sky. She said one of the issues people had with Corbyn was that he didn’t listen. I know Jess has been asked gender critical questions (I was at an event and heard one) so the hypocrisy is strong with this one. If she’s not got someone to read these threads prior to the web chat tomorrow she’s a fool. She MUST know the depth and breadth of the feelings & opinions on this single issue.
Still watching and she’s said ‘honest’ multiple times. I used to really like her and I could weep.

Needmoresleep · 19/01/2020 08:57

It’s depressing. Jess would be a better potential leader of the Labour Party if she were coming on MN to help identify issues and concerns that need to be addressed so that the Labour Party can win the next election.

Instead MN are taking action to ensure that Jess is not put on the spot by having to field more than one question on the biggest current political issue for women on this site. Because, as we all know, Jess wants to gain the party leadership, and to do so, she dare not upset the misogynists within the party.

Sorry Jess, politics are changing. Lots of people, left and right, are sick of woke identities politics, where accusations of hate take the place of proper debate. A leader needs to listen and to lead. Not appease.

Swirls1111 · 19/01/2020 08:17

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I’d have put myself in this category too. Until the Joanne Rowling tweet engaged me and I did a bit of reading. I had absolutely no idea.

MoleSmokes · 19/01/2020 07:08

Ah! Thanks for clarifying, Datun Smile

Datun · 19/01/2020 06:24

MoleSmokes

As a concession, they've removed Empress's original question (at her request) and replaced it with Tinsel's deleted one.

MoleSmokes · 19/01/2020 03:57

The 4th question to JP on the Webchat thread is about the GRA Spousal Exit Clause and also asks if JP will discuss this with trans widows, so has this been allowed by Mumsnet now?

Thelnebriati · 18/01/2020 23:17

Adams Task is a philosophy book written by Vicki Hearne. Adam was given the task of naming all of the animals. We name animals to give them an individual identity that separates them from the mass.

Man is not permitted to name that which is above him - God.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Task

watch.opb.org/video/the-open-mind-adams-task/

Thelnebriati · 18/01/2020 23:15

You can add to Langs list;

  • Dismantling The Equality Act
  • WASPI women's pensions and any potential compensation going to men who have transitioned as they will benefit twice.
  • Erasing the language used by and about women, about themselves and their own experiences.
  • Erasing women's ability to challenge men. And this is the real core of the matter for me.
Creepster · 18/01/2020 23:00

I think the list Lang made needs to be discussed on site stuff.

OldCrone · 18/01/2020 16:03

There's a thread in chat asking mumsnet to allow a discussion of gender issues with Jess Phillips. The OP is going to count the number of people who have said that they want this. Post on there to make sure you're counted.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3797980-Who-else-would-really-appreciate-a-polite-discussion-of-gender-issues-and-the-concerns-of-women-at-the-jess-Philips-webchat-on-Monday

Datun · 18/01/2020 15:19

God, LangCleg

Absolutely fucking awful. Terrifying.

And all these women who are complicit. It's mind blowing.

RoyalCorgi · 18/01/2020 15:09

I've wasted my question to Jess by asking her who she considers to be the most working-class candidate (I wonder if she'll answer). Could someone ask her about grooming gangs and why she thinks the authorities were so slow to tackle the ongoing, systematic sexual abuse of teenage girls even though they were well aware of it?

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/01/2020 14:54

Essentially Lang we're not allowed to talk about anything that makes males sad.

Or even potentially risks making them sad. MN is a nice place. Smile, girls.

Michelleoftheresistance · 18/01/2020 14:53

I have a very sad feeling that Phillips, along with many other politicos, has become voterphobic. Particularly Thinkingvoterphobic.

LangCleg · 18/01/2020 14:36

If you think about it, we can't mention...

free speech and Art 10 rights
child safeguarding in schools
police creating criminal records for citizens who haven't committed a crime
safe NHS general wards
safe NHS locked psych wards
whether or not the DV women's sector is fit for purpose
RSE in schools
women's prisons
the integrity of women's sport
the ability of minors to give medical consent
women's rights in cases of spousal abuse
misogyny on social media
why the Labour party is losing women's votes
the damaging nature of sex stereotypes
societal lesbophobia
regulatory capture and policy laundering

... all of these things because genderists have managed to get themselves at least obliquely associated with them (and not in a good way).

And this list is off the top of my head in ten seconds flat. If you read it and you don't shit yourself in shock, I don't think I can really help you!

DuMondeB · 18/01/2020 14:18

Bet we can’t ask about the Birmingham school protests either,

I like Barracker’s idea for a parallel thread.

endofthelinefinally · 18/01/2020 11:49

Oh. Of course. It is the weekend. Maybe it is down to the weekend moderating team.Sad

StealthPolarBear · 18/01/2020 11:41

We're not allowed to discuss it. Or surrogacy. Or trans widows.
I'm going to ask what lipstick she wears. Presumably that's what they're aiming for

PegasusReturns · 18/01/2020 11:38

The topic dominates because it’s what women are interested in. Anyone can add a question so i don’t buy “women being put off” and frankly if they are they need to get a grip.

Proposed amendments to the GRA will have a lifelong impact on women and girls. It is critical that we are allowed to discuss it and the fact that MPs choose not to, rather than addressing concerns and moving on is entirely because they know how critical it is.