Jess Phillips throws GC women under the bus

I can't pretend I think transwomen are female. I don't know why that should be expected of traumatised women or schoolgirls. They should be entitled to believe their own eyes and senses, and indeed their own memories.

This. It is gaslighting. It is abusive in and of itself.

Thank you all, that is what I'm thinking. And yes, as someone who has been self-excluding, I know all too well we are invisible.

In that service, we had a small number of trans women in my time there and they did not pose a risk.

The women who self exclude from mixed sex services are invisible to you. That doesn't mean we don't exist.

In that service, we had a small number of trans women in my time there and they did not pose a risk.

They could have posed a problem for women who needed single-sex spaces even without posing a risk. We are currently seeing this played out at my child's school. No one thinks 'Nicola' is a predator, just that Nicola remains as male as last term, and thus, to many of the girls, as unwelcome as any other male in the girls' facilities.

I can't pretend I think transwomen are female. I don't know why that should be expected of traumatised women or schoolgirls. They should be entitled to believe their own eyes and senses, and indeed their own memories.

It actually doesn't matter whether or not Jess knows about 'problems' - it's sufficient that some women need single sex space.

No trumps yes when it comes to consent.

So long as some women say no to mixed sex refuges (or mixed sex anything), their pov should be prioritised.

I don't imagine Jess ever met any of the women in the shelters or the staff that ran them considering her job description.

...and I just scrolled down a bit further to see this had already been announced

The news has just announced Jess Philips has withdrawn from the Labour leader race.

The Birmingham Yardley MP admits she's not the person to "unite" her party as she quits the race to replace Jeremy Corbyn.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-leadership-jess-phillips-drops-out-of-contest-11914263

Can I just ask something - in her answer Jess states

I ran a women's domestic and sexual violence service and am confident in specialist services being able to risk assess for safety.

In that service, we had a small number of trans women in my time there and they did not pose a risk. Everyone in service was risk assessed on their relative risk.

Now I have been talking, reading, listening about this issue a lot. And what I have learned is that it is never not a problem when adult males are included in female-only provisions, whether that is spaces or services or scholarships or sports. But it is most harmful where vulnerable women are the ones having a male imposed on them.

I've also learned that services claiming it's not a problem do not come to that conclusion after talking to the women using their service about it. And we know that the rare woman who does speak up in such a situation has been framed as the problem, the troublemaker for the last five years or so.

Now Jess didn't actually run a domestic violence refuge providing frontline services, she was the business development manager for a number of refuges for Women's Aid in Sandwell from 2010 to 2015. Here is her role described in 2015, just before she stopped:

Jess Phillips leads the organisation’s growth, development and partnerships. She leads on all aspects of service development, funding and contracts. Jess works closely with the Executive Director to drive forward the strategic aims of the organisation and to develop new and meaningful partnerships and projects in order to ensure services are available for a growing range of victims of interpersonal violence.

She is speaking with confidence on the issue of including males who identify as trans in female-only refuges and precisely because she was a campaigners in this area, when she says there are no problems, she will be believed.

Given that she stopped working there just before the current self-id policies were adopted, how likely is it that she would know if there were problems now?

And how likely is it that Jess sought the views of all of the staff in all of the refuges back then? Or of all of the survivors using her service? And that the males in question were post-op transsexuals rather than the now much more prevalent crossdressers?

Another one bites the dust. When will politicians learn that saying transwomen are women is the best way to destroy your career and NOT the vote winner they seem to think it is

Well, good luck to her, but please god I don't want to see her carry on on the Women & Eq select committee. How could she be so misinformed about a policy area that is supposed to be her expertise?

Maybe the risk assessments she mentioned were about potentially losing funding / woke bro points. They certainly weren't about safeguarding the female service users.

Plum shadow cabinet role promised, probably.

She’s probably been talked out of continuing by Starmer’s team. She’s unlikely to win but could potentially be taking some first preferences that would otherwise go to him...

😂😂😂😂 good one @TinselAngel That’ll be on the day the devil skates to work

Yes. I understand she can't get enough support from Unions to make it through to the next stage.

Maybe it's a statement to say she's finally read the GRA, and was wrong

@TinselAngel she’s doing a statement at 3pm - General consensus from commentators is she’s pulling out Tho ofc it could be something else - Hard to imagine what though

www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1231245/jess-phillips-news-labour-leadership-contest-latest-hustings-gmb/amp

Where have you heard that?

It seems Jess Phillips is likely to withdraw from the leadership race this afternoon

Can someone explain how being employed as an administrator at the Women's Aid charity when she left the Labour Party translates to "doing so much for women".
It has always struck me as odd when extremely well paid people who own or operate charities like the Komen Foundation, or Women's Aid, take credit for what the line staff and volunteers do for women.

I've lost all faith in her ability to 'speak truth to power' . One trans woman sits in front of her and she caves like a school child. As for the Mumsnet chat, doesn't she have campaign aides or something to advise her or have they stitched her up? Worse that Gordon's biscuits.

This is covered in the Mail
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7908273/Jess-Phillips-sparks-fury-Mumsnet-saying-trans-women-women.html
Although I don't actually see it on the front page. It came up in my Google newsfeed.

I'm really speechless.

I can't believe Phillips thought she could do a Mumsnet chat without knowing something about the place. I mean, I know she's busy at the minute. But how can she not know about the Portal Of Radicalisation?

I don't mean, "oh we must be famous, how dare she". But surely she ought to have worked out - given that Penis News interview - that there is a discussion happening, and that it might be an idea to find out where and what it's about, and that Mumsnet is very much a place where it's going on?

So how on earth did she think she'd get away with doing a Mumsnet webchat to which her main contribution was demonstrating that she doesn't have the faintest clue what this much-lied-about "spousal veto" in fact consists of, here of all places?