Julie Bindel bullying Posie

Datun I wasn't witness to the challenges on here, so I can't vouch for them either way.

Do you plan on retracting your 15:35 post then? The one in which you give your account of the things she said and why she said them?

Lang, that’s a lot of excuses and obfuscation.

• They made her say it, so that’s ok
• A couple of days later when lots of people told her she was out of order she did apologise, sort of, in a “that’s not what I meant” style
• but only because that wasn’t really what she meant, even though she said it LOTS of times, very specifically
• really she meant “all parents who do this bad thing” and only accidentally said “all trans parents” because she was thinking of the overlap bit

It’s so easy to get confused about meaning when the words and sentence is so complex... “trans people should not be parents” “trans men should be sterilised”

It’s a stretch, given how incredibly intelligent, incisive and honest she is, and how she doesn’t mince her words.

It's the same as saying deadbeat absent sperm donors fathers have a right to see their children. No, they do not.

It's arse ways about. It is what is in the best interests of the child and we are all allowed our own opinion on that.

I remember it. She did lose her rag and say something about sterilisation after being goaded to the nth degree on the Twatter. Everyone - including most materialist feminists - said "you've gone a bit beyond the pale there, love" and a couple of days later she came back, apologised for the intemperate language and stated her actual position more sensibly. To whit: children aren't possessions, products or badges for the identity of their parents and people who try to make them so - which, in her opinion*, included a lot of trans people - shouldn't be parents.

It's pretty much the opinion of those who objected to Freddie McConnell going to court to be registered as a father, not a mother. Or to those who object to commercial surrogacy. Or those of us who have objected to the recent Usborne book valorising a child taking on responsibility for the wellbeing of its parent.

You can agree or disagree with that, of course. You can find it a sensible, child-centred view. Or you can find it offensive on the basis of being of the Woke persuasion. Whatever your personal bag.

But wherever you stand on it, it's wrong to suggest that Posie's position was founded on anything other than what she considers to be the best interest of the child in the situation.

*attempting to represent Posie's opinion, not making a generalisation of my own, dear monitors

She stuck to her guns about it when challenged here on mn by people who were not goading her, and she’d had plenty of time to cool down, and had already been criticised for it on Twitter.

Looks a lot like gaslighting,

It's not gaslighting, certainly from me. I wasn't witness to the challenges on here, so I can't vouch for them either way.

In terms of her being accountable, she doesn't give a fuck. That's her accountability, right there. She accepts responsibility for everything she does. She just doesn't interpret it in the way you think she should. Which is, I imagine, a massive part of her appeal for a lot of people.

Prince Andrew? I'm sure he was visiting Epstein for the sunshine.

Trump bragging about grabbing women

You can go right ahead and compare Posie to Andrew, Epstein and Trump. There's not a single part of me that wants to stop you doing that.

and who they have associated with.

McCarthy 2020

She is accountable. We all are. Nobody is saying Posie, or anyone else, is anything else but.

Did you somehow miss the posts insisting she didn’t say any such thing, didn’t mean it, was driven to it, apologised so that’s fine, and calling the statement that she did in fact say such things an “unsubstantiated slur”?

That’s some highly selective reading skills you’ve got there.

She is accountable. We all are. Nobody is saying Posie, or anyone else, is anything else but.

Yeah let's ignore all this purity politics and guilt by association nonsense

Prince Andrew? I'm sure he was visiting Epstein for the sunshine.

Trump bragging about grabbing women by the pussy? He apologized so let's forget all about it.

The problem with Posie Parker is she has one conservative opinion that many feminists agree with alongside a whole host of far right, bigoted, racist opinions.

Of course we should hold people accountable for what they have said, what they have done and who they have associated with.

Most women are extremely scared to go public with their legitimate concerns regarding the medical treatment of children considered “trans”. As we all know, women who put their head above the parapet can expect a nonstop barrage of horrendous and terrifying abuse, such as being threatened with rape and murder. In the case of Caroline, the Catholic journalist, her children’s personal details were shared online and a man who has been found guilty of threatening others with a golf club turned up on her doorstep trying to serve papers. I can only imagine what Posie is threatened with and has experienced (as well as the police questioning her).

So she has said something which she quickly regretted and apologized for. Yet now she must never be allowed to be forgiven as a less than a perfect individual, despite all her years of dedication in attempting to protect women and children?

The Purity Politics does no one any favors except those on the opposite side (usually men) who will use this as another excuse for more hysterical, threatening and frightening bullying.

'Goaded beyond endurance' is the typical defense for men who commit domestic violence. Being goaded doesn't excuse anything.

I can - in theory - understand and empathise with a viewpoint that somebody (trans or not, I'm not talking specifically about transpeople here) who behaves in the selfish and abusive way people have on the transwidows thread, or somebody who will indoctrinate their child to a religion I strongly disagree with, and will gaslight them from birth, could be a child protection issue and they perhaps shouldn't be parents.

Which is posie's main concern, isn't it. The children.

Datun, I w where, in the threads, and asked her myself, do you actually think trans people should not be parents. She replied to me, and other posters also, to say that yes, she felt they should not be parents, whether to children conceived before during or after transition.

It was very specific, and I recall it very clearly, as do others.

Denying it happened or claiming she is being misrepresented/misunderstood/taken out of context, or was provoked, I mean does this not seem familiar to you? This denial it happened (here on mn, not in the original twitter thing, but over the next couple, of days when threads were discussing it), or blaming it on someone else for the words that came out of her mouth?

She stuck to her guns about it when challenged here on mn by people who were not goading her, and she’d had plenty of time to cool down, and had already been criticised for it on Twitter.

Looks a lot like gaslighting, to keep on finding ways it wasn’t her fault because the bad people made her say it, or she didn’t say it at all, or she did do it but she didn’t mean it, and anyone who says otherwise is a goody fucker sluring her without evidence.

Far as I'm aware that is something of a misrepresentation.

Posie was responding to a transman or transmen having a meltdown because being pregnant meant that it clashed ideologically with them being a man and it was triggering.

Posie is not only opposed to transgender ideology, she sees it as 100%, actively harmful. She was goaded beyond endurance that someone was ranting to her about how triggering something is that she is 100% opposed to in the first place.

It was said in exasperation as she was almost being blamed for the effects of something that she disagrees with anyway.

I'm pretty certain that Posey does not think all trans people should be sterilised.

What’s weird here is that Posie has apologised for saying that trans people should not have children, and stated that she said was angry and heated at the time.

So, yunno, she definitely said it, more than once, on more than one platform, was criticised by a broad range of people, apologised, and has not said it (publicly at least) since that time.

The denials, minimising, excusing and referring to it as an unsubstantiated slur is truly ludicrous, and hypocritical.

By all means, have her as your hero, but if you want to be in any way listened to when accusing others of gaslighting, start with not trying to vanish away the dodgy shit your hero has done along the way, and telling others they are making it up out of hatred and loathing.

No American, snowbright, would look at that video of Sarah McBride and think she was being abused. What she was experiencing was how our politics works — in fact how our culture overall works. We’re not a people who stand on decorum and certainly we don’t much engage in politesse.

And lobbyists are public personae.

Yep. And most Americans are not very fond of lobbyists.
I'm grateful to posie and venice for bringing to my attention that Sarah McBride was in Washington to meet with Joseph P Kennedy III. He wants to be my senator. He can fuck off.

Misogyny.

If you hate women why on earth visit a site for women.

You know that, and everyone on this forum knows it.

What the ever-loving-fuck is ‘that’? I have absolutely no clue what you are on about, so no ‘everyone on this forum’ doesn’t know ‘it’.

You're right Datun, it's very enlightening this hatred and loathing of an outspoken woman. All the attempts to smear her and get others to agree that she's a disgrace.
Many on this thread have said that they don't agree with all that she says and does but still the slurs and blanket statements of the utter awfulness of PP keep coming.
Julie Bindel has said on this thread that she was wrong to use the words that she did. Good for her.

I just watched the video of Posie in the original tweet.

Anyone watching that will be in absolutely zero doubt of this woman's ferocious passion and rage over what's being done to children.

Feminist clashes aside, the agenda from others to try and shut Posie down is always enlightening.

you'd have a whole thread on it and there wouldn't be sight nor sound of 'is there any evidence for this?

No evidence or examples?
Looks like another unsubstantiated slur from snowblight.

snowblight

Your contribution to this thread has been most illuminating. Your tactic here is known as bait and switch Sorry. No sale.