Julie Bindel bullying Posie

not seen the tweet, confused, what is happening?

Meh. They are both great in different ways. They clash, as people sometimes do. I like much of both of their work. Whether they like each other doesn't interest me.

The tweet seems to have been removed now.

Posie is definitely not thick! Lazy insult

@LangCleg not as lazy as ’and none of my friends like her either’

JB is being utterly pathetic

Great post, Needmoresleep.

I'm glad Julie's post has gone from twitter. Whatever differences there are in opinions/approaches, it's never going to be constructive to air them on twitter, much less name call.

I get my (foreign) names mispelled and mispronounced all the time and I'd be fucking annoyed if anybody would use that as an excuse to attack someone else, female or male, unless it is absolutely obviously on purpose and malicious.

Any minute now, Kathleen Stock will twittering that Posie’s a “liability”.

Neither Posie nor the women from Wolf got into bed with the Heritage Foundation, they hosted a forum. Mainly because no organisation on their own side would. Posie attended as a guest, just like any one of us could have.

It’s my firm belief that there are women in this “movement” who are envious that they weren’t the ones to go to the US, but then they should have made alliances with Meghan Murphy and the women of Wolf themselves. They think that Posie is imposing on what they view as their territory when there is room for all. Or there should be

Yes need more sleep

💪⭐️ Post

Surely nothing could be better than Posie V Harrop?

And I agree with every word of Needmoresleep's excellent post.

Sorry, there was a typo in my long post. (There always is - I strongly suspect dyslexia.)

"Writing for the Mail in order to get your voice heard would NOT have pleased everyone"

Purity does not help us. The main argument against us, has been to cry "transphobe", escalating to "right-wing transphobe".

I would prefer ...woman who has views and deserves a voice. If you disagree, come up with some good counter-arguments.

Tweet has gone but Julie B writes for all sorts of publications from all over the political spectrum and rightly so, IMO. Does mean she doesn’t get to judge people based on who they talk to though.

Political purity is bollocks. We need to get the job done and so far, Posie seems to be the best at that. Her streaming skills are getting better and better. Next time she gets a TV slot, it’ll be even better than Posie V Harrop.

I saw this on twitter and my first thought was Julie’s account had been hacked. It was so over the top and the irony of her also spelling the horrible Mona’s surname wrong

NONE of the ACTUAL feminists I know can stand her”.

Jesus Christ, Julie sounds like an 11 year old.

Julie I still love you but what the fucking fuck?
Sort it out.

Perhaps we could divert to a more productive angle than who said what about whom.

With regard to this endless right wing accusation by political illiterates for an easy insult. I'd see Posie's politics as centrist post-liberal as outlined in this Quillette article:

Post-liberals, like liberals, are pro-liberty; but unlike liberals they do not believe that the maximization of personal freedom is the be-all-and-end-all of politics. Other things are important too—like family, community, nation, fairness —and therefore there are balances to be struck and conflicts to be resolved as an essential part of the democratic process. Post-liberals therefore believe that individuals have rights and duties.

The whole thing is really worth reading if you're trying to analyse a
backlash against queer theory/extreme IDPol coming from people who previously considered themselves simply as "of the left".

quillette.com/2019/07/02/post-liberal-politics-left-right-and-center/

Well I’m very left wing and frequent the feminist board 🤷‍♀️

Hey needmoresleep great post! I agree that it's possible to admire someone for their courage or analysis or passion without agreeing with every utterance. Insisting that total lockstep on every issue is required is a blueprint for extinguishing alliances. And it's crystal clear which powerful lobby group wants to isolate and silence any dissent..

Ofthread - This is the right-wing feminism board.

Nope. Left leaning. Don’t want my daughters to have less rights than me.

I don’t want it enshrined in law that some bloke from up the road is legally entitled to undressed in front of my daughters and everyone else’s daughters just by signing a form.

Sex based definitions and rights were acceptable up until 5 minutes ago. Why not now? It’s men pushing this agenda...

Posie is definitely not thick! Lazy insult.

Literally I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Julie et el are being so partisan, as others have said, it's cringy.

She’s an activist not an academic, but she’s a very bright woman

She is. She's not "thick". I don't think sneering at people publicly for their intellect as you think you're cleverer than them ever reflects particularly well on any high profile figure.

FFS...this is a women's issue.

Women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, colours and creeds.

I may have nothing in common with another women, dislike her views on a number of things, dislike the woman herself, but she has a right to a voice. And I have a right to disagree with her.

It has been interesting that the two women who have effectively been lightening rods for abuse and worse, have been Posie and Caro. Strong strong women, with strong views.

Though this forum is normally polite it is clear that there is a natural divide between those who have feminist roots, who talk a language of intersectionality and patriarchy, and others who have arrived here via forums on breastfeeding or secondary education, and who, whether Labour or Tory, are new to political activism. This is an issue that affects all women.

One real joy of this forum has been the way women have come together. It's been a chance to come out of our bubbles, to talk to people with very different backgrounds about those difficult topics of race, religion, sex and politics (the Douglas Murray thread was great) and be remind ourselves that you don't need to agree to respect.
That your own views should and can be challenged, and can evolve.

Caroline Farrow continues to amaze me. How does she do it? We should be grateful for the way she has exposed how beastly people can be, and how low they can stoop. Some men really seem to hate women. Ditto with Posie. Her energy, her creativity went a long way to opening up the debate. Who knew that Adult Human Female would prove so controversial. I have met her twice, the second time approaching her specifically to buy her a drink. I am a fangirl. Which is very different to being sure I will agree with her on much, or even enjoy being a friend.

It is inevitable that strong characters will clash. Look at the people at the top of any political party. Julie Bindel is also fab, articulate and caring. She has made her own compromises. Writing for the Mail in order to get your voice heard would have pleased everyone, but I think it is right. I want women's voices heard. Being out there means being exposed.

Long ago I asked a senior friend how she managed to work to a very difficult director. She said that before she entered his office she would remind herself of the things she admired about him. Perhaps this is true of both Posie and Julie. There is lots, really lots, to admire about both. And, as with anyone who puts their head above the parapet, things that can be criticised.

Women want an end to the Stonewall pushed, unexamined, queer ideology. We worry that the main losers are women and children. Our drivers may be social conservatism, opposition to the patriarchy, religion, culture, whatever. Let's focus on the problem, and use our amazing diversity of backgrounds and networks to protect ourselves and those who are more vulnerable. Let's appreciate those who have gone above and beyond. Including both Posie and Julie.

"elthany" - right you are, Julie Blindel.

Cringe