Julie Bindel bullying Posie

I'm team women.

I'm on Julie's side. Posie & her sidekick are the bullies.

Thanks Grinitch. My bad. I’d read that somewhere but google shows you’re right. I don’t think it undermines the point, though - it’s certainly a high-profile, public-facing role.

Perhaps being ‘team-either of them’ isn’t helpful - and my first instinct was to jump in defence of team Posie, so this is as much a self criticism as one of any pp (or PP).

A good person, which I think JB is, launched a vicious personal attack on someone for no good reason when she wasn’t in a position to respond. It’s a bad act, and she should apologise to Posie for publicly libelling her, but it doesn’t make her a bad actor. No one needs cancelling.

McBride is not an elected official, but is the national press secretary for Human Rights Campaign and as such very influential in Democratic politics.

That trip was the biggest own-goal ever. No decent person would have looked at the video of them abusing Sarah McBride and felt anything other than revulsion for them.

People will watch the video and form their own opinion. I recall no abuse. McBride is paid to lobby for the removal of sex-based rights. Pointing this out is not abuse. Interrupting a meeting is impolite and PP's use of sexed rather than gendered pronouns will put backs up. But neither of those things are abusive.

Snowblight likes to pop up on every thread to provide helpful instruction on how women ought to think and interpret reality.

Input appreciated. I watched the intervention and saw an elected official being reasonably and non-violently held to account over actions taken in role. Your mileage may vary.

I'm team Julie. Posie does way more harm than good and only attracts far right extremist types.

I’ve been left-wing all my life and I love Posie. Watching her V Adrian Harrop is my happy place. I’m quite shocked by Julie’s petulance and immaturity.

Great post, needmoresleep.

I'm not really here for cheerleading, to be honest. I'm here to try and see how the situation for womens' rights is developing and to work out how to protect it.

Being rude or unpleasant is not the end of the world.

I'm team Julie. Posie does way more harm than good and only attracts far right extremist types.

Right, BeyondFlube - the problem is so many feminists don’t seem to be able to get past a woman’s take on whether economies are best planned centrally to listen to her ideas about women’s rights.

I was SO grateful to Posie and Julia for coming over last year and partnering with WoLF to make some more noise and try to force the media to cover our issues. And they seem to have gotten massively piled on by their countrywomen for it.

That trip was the biggest own-goal ever. No decent person would have looked at the video of them abusing Sarah McBride and felt anything other than revulsion for them.

Wow those tweets wtf

I have mixed feelings about both JB and Posie. However they are both putting themselves in the spotlight and fighting for women which I admire them for.

Women are people and as such have various views about various things. Some you might agree with, some not. This is accepted in men. Women have to be 'perfect' though. Just more sexism.

Can never have too much of a good thing, Red

Bore are you on a mission to post that wonderful video every day ?

I'm not surprised. As soon as I saw Julie's tweet, I knew the TRA's would be having a field day. It really undermines the aims of GC feminists. Unity is show of strength. Leave the petty sniping aside.

Perhaps a reminder to not have tantrums on social media. I am nothing like either but have huge regard for what they're achieving great things in their own ways. The end goal is quite important..

Left/right is irrelevant anyway - it refers to views on economic policy and thus feminists can be both.
Libertarian/authoritarian are more relevant here.

I was shocked and disgusted by Julie's public outburst. What on earth possessed her? I'm glad she has taken it down. It reflects badly on her and does a great diservice to the common GC cause.

Is it against the law to be right wing ?
Is it against the law to be left wing ?

Somewhere there is a thread nominating sheroes, people who have contributed to the fight to protect women. The list is long and diverse. Both Julie and Posie are there.

It's worth taking a step back to the GRA reform consultation.

Here was a consultation on legislation that threatened massive societal change. Yet media and more kowtowed to Stonewall's #nodebate. The few brave journalists, Janice Turner being one, who dared report were quickly condemned. Other journalists threatening to boycott awards where she was nominated. Linda and Venice faced court action, based on a YouTube video including a throwaway comment by Linda. Women were being silenced.

In the midst of this, Posie sticks up a poster. Woman = Adult Human Female.

Complete genius. Nothing wrong with a definition of women. Except there was. That was what it was all about. Women were no longer 'allowed' to define themselves. They were no longer entitled to their own spaces. The response was huge, with silly firms like Ocado rushing to deny their main customer base. And lots of previously unaware women going "WTAF".

For that alone, Posie deserves our admiration and gratitude.

Our diversity is our strength.

Also, I think Julie’s timing is cynical. The last time Posie et al went to the US the same happened.

Yes, exactly. Here in the US the media climate is stifling. I was SO grateful to Posie and Julia for coming over last year and partnering with WoLF to make some more noise and try to force the media to cover our issues. And they seem to have gotten massively piled on by their countrywomen for it.

But actually 2019 was the first year I started to see gender identity issues covered a little more skeptically in some corners of America, and certainly WoLF are gaining more traction now with their meeting tonight in NYC and Feb 1 in Seattle.

American women are just starting to get the word out (not for any lack of trying on WoLFs part earlier, I must point out) coalesce and stand up for our rights.

Why would any feminist want to nip that in the bud?

Beyond disappointing. Hope the deletion means she’s thought better of it.

Have always supported working together on a single issue for the benefit of women and children, even though I find the left intolerant and dogmatic at times. This kind of thing really, really doesn’t help.

This is the right-wing feminism board.

I find it utterly fascinating how people who are supposedly keen on everyone being able to identify themselves are so quick to label and define others. Particularly when those others are women. I mean, it couldn't really be clearer, the double standards and misogyny.

I definitely identify as left wing.