Nikkietutorials comes out as trans

Never heard of her before today, not sure why there's a thread about her, I think she looks like she's had a lot of plastic surgery.

Is that why she's been brought to my attention ? So we can have a feminist critique of cosmetic surgery ?! (I wish)

Because many posters claiming "they always knew" quite patently had absolutely no idea but are obsessed with the blatantly transphobic idea that no tranwomen can "pass" and anyone GC can magically spot a transwoman at 100 yards.

Very few people look the same in person as they do on film with the filters available for editing images.
I had never heard of this person until this thread was posted.
Because they are an influencer with a lot of traffic I think the thread should be moved to celebrities or, barring that, make a transgender section so the gender advocates can discuss issues exclusive to them and their special interests @MNHQ

unwashedanddazed thanks for the intro to Jahkara J Smith and her Youtube channel is Sailor J.
She is very funny.

LangCleg the make-up tutorial that unwashed linked to is the first one I’ve watched. She’s worth it (to badly use a make-up marketing tag line).

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You know it's honestly amazing that so many people think it's so obvious that she's trans but never mentioned it until today
Why would they ‘mention it’? FWR doesn’t trawl social media looking for transwomen to out. It’s not FWR feminists that are in to monitoring or policing other platforms.

...and it was deemed surprising enough to make the bbc news.
That it made the news, and hence this thread is the first introduction most of have had to Nikki and the only reason it is being discussed.

It was in no way suggesting height was a giveaway. I didn't think she was tall because she was trans. I thought she was tall because she was Dutch. However, on reflection it's likely her biological sex played some part in her height. I'm not a feminine woman and I don't attach any importance to height as a marker of how feminine someone is.

Cut and paste fail. Should have been replying to this one.

I imagine most people clocked but didn’t think it was worth commenting on.

Weirdly I always thought that Nikkie was a not very feminine looking girl, but I didn't actually make the leap in my mind to thinking 'A-ha! Nikkie is transgender'.

However, I think seeing someone as a head and shoulders screenshot and not realising they were born male is very different to meeting someone in real life. The transwoman who I know personally looks very feminine in photographs, but not at all like a woman in real life.

she has said she has yet to see a girl who identifies as trans who isn't either a lesbian, autistic or has suffered from past trauma, usually sexual.

Rubbish. If there had even been a sniff of her being trans there would have been a whole thread devoted to her on here long before now. Given the way ordinary trans people who are not well known have been picked apart on here before now, people would definitely have been discussing her here.

If you are referring to my post @Doyoumind (not sure if you are), I was referencing your rather rude first post indicating height was a giveaway for someone being a transwoman. Your stuff about the person in question being Dutch came later. It's no big deal, but as a tall woman I'm going to continue to challenge stereotypes that suggest I'm less feminine.

My following comments were on the thread in general, not aimed at you.

Nikkie has been making videos for 11 years. Do you really think everyone knew but didn't bother to say something that whole time? People are genuinely surprised. Why can't you believe that?

Here it is, @rosesandcasmere. Not a 'mindset' or reliance on 'sexist stereotypes', as you put it. medium.com/@katieja/but-how-can-you-tell-7901324d0919

it was deemed surprising enough to make the bbc news

The bar for transgender items being on the bbc is low and it would fit their ideology to say it was a surprise. I imagine most people clocked but didn’t think it was worth commenting on.

You know it's honestly amazing that so many people think it's so obvious that she's trans but never mentioned it until today and it was deemed surprising enough to make the bbc news.

Yes, you'd think the 'we can always tell' brigade would have picked up on it before now.

I also said that Nikkie used to look and act quite differently early on in her career to those who now claim her mannerisms and makeup style give away her status.

I'm really tired of having to defend my comment on her height.

For people who can't be bothered to read the thread properly: I have said only positive things about Nikkie and have criticised the negative things others have said; I have watched her videos for some time and haven't just discovered her; I didn't know she was trans and have no problem with her now I know she is; I did know she was tall and thought the fact that Dutch people are often tall (proven by stats somewhere on the thread) was the reason; she would have been far taller than she is had she not had medical intervention. Also, I'm very well aware women can be over 6ft but it's significantly less likely than them being under 6ft and I also know that height alone cannot be used to ascertain sex, as if that needed to be said

I'm GC but I wish Nikkie all the best.

You know it's honestly amazing that so many people think it's so obvious that she's trans but never mentioned it until today and it was deemed surprising enough to make the bbc news.

People have evolved over millions of years so they can detect the differences between men and women. I don't think I've ever in my life suspected an actual woman of being trans, but I did immediately think Nikkie was. The list of features that are different would be to long to list and probably with many on the micro-scale or to do with pheromones. There was an interesting article on medium about this but I can't find it right now. And can we cut out the sexist expressions such as 'hysteria'? Thanks

@UpfieldHatesWomen I'd worry you'd think some actual women were trans with your mindset tbh! My feet are also an 8 (tall women have bigger feet, it's a standing upright thing...) crikey. I read these boards before thinking the hysteria was called for. Now I'm concerned people look at women like me in changing rooms thinking I'm a man because of their backwards stereotypes.

I agree @sylvanianfrenemies and I think anyone hinting at this on any thread loses all credibility. I possibly look kind eyed and I'm really tall... with massive hands
Also born female with a vagina and can't stand the term 'CIS'.
Have whatever opinions you want but perhaps don't judge so hard as I'm not in some sort of freak minority. Are all supermodels also men? 🙄

I actually like Nikkie but it does explain the 6ft something height.

Er, no. I'm a woman (yes, with a vagina and XX chromosomes) and am 6ft something.

I'm gender critical but not totally comfortable with analysing someone who doesn't seem to be a TRA/MRA. Lots of people, trans and not, hold ridiculous stereotypes about what it means to be female or male.

I hope she takes the blackmailers to court

I don't think anyone's suggested height alone was a factor in suspecting Nikkie was trans, but rather a combination of things. This is why it's usually very easy to tell who is trans - stature, voice, mannerisms, facial features, the way someone walks, bone structure, foot size, hand size, jawline, fat distribution etc. I don't know about anyone else, but with transmen I always notice their eyes look so much kinder than the average man's. It's not something I want to believe, but I'm often struck by it.

Its really not hard line to say that spaces and services for women are for women.

Women's sports are for women, women only Rape Crisis sessions are for women, women's DV shelters are for women. Women's hospital wards, also for women.
They are not mixed sex. The Equality Act supports this. All of the reasons why we need single sex spaces and services still exist, society has not changed for women.