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Nikkietutorials comes out as trans

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Cocolapew · 13/01/2020 20:28

I only know who they are due to DD watching their make up videos. They were on BBC 3s Glow Up program as a guest judge.
Apparently they were being blackmailed and so came out in a video, which is a bit shit for them.

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Barracker · 13/01/2020 23:21

I feel heartsick that any mother would observe her young son playing with Barbies and liking pink, and yet conclude this was a problem and the solution was to tell him he was a girl.
A child raised this way, affirmed in the childish notion that 'girly' likes and behaviour - not my phrase, but one used in the coming out video - means a boy IS a girl, literally? That child spends his formative years with trusted adults telling him he's not a boy who likes pink, he's a girl with a wrong body. What chance does a child have to ever reconcile himself to the truth that he's actually, irrevocably, male? His memories will fight him all the way, he's never been given the opportunity to accurately perceive himself growing up as a boy, now a man - who can come to terms with who he really is.

An adult transitioner at least has a fighting chance of eventually accepting their own actual sex, having grown up with benchmarks and signposts and experience of their own sex, however much false gender associations might have blurred the reality.
But a child who has been deceived throughout childhood and who has developed their sense of self around a false identity? I don't know how or even whether there is a way back to accepting reality if your entire journey to adulthood has been a façade.

*MNHQ I've written this specifically in third person generically, in order not to directly reference or 'misgender' a particular person.
Should be within the guidelines.

GlitterToast · 13/01/2020 22:52

Tbf, Nikki says that she didn't want to come out yet. She was smoked out, so I don't think she's doing this for attention.

TerribleCustomerCervix · 13/01/2020 22:37

It's not Nikkie's fault, but they'll no doubt be heaped with praise now simply for being born male and being a make-up artist.

Yeah I think that’s fairly likely.

It just pisses me off as there’s no arena where men are the majority of the market where being a woman is seen as anything other than at best, a bit quirky, or at worst someone who “doesn’t really know what they’re talking about.” or a sex object.

Men entering a women’s market though? OMG so brave! So creative! So many funny and catty comments calling actual women bitches!

They can fuck off with their double standards.

Doyoumind · 13/01/2020 22:36

Nikkie did train as a makeup artist, after starting the channel, which has been going for years. I couldn't come close to replicating those looks. Also, amazing English speaker. I don't really have a bad word to say despite my GC views.

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 13/01/2020 22:36

I like Nikki like I like a lot of trans people. She seems like a really sweet person, and her talent with make-up is extraordinary. But liking & respecting individual people doesn't mean liking and respecting trans activism. Nikki seems to want to get on with her life, be herself & not jump on any bandwagons. People like Nikki are not the issue. Never have been. The things she asked for - acceptance, respect & to be heard - are all entirely reasonable & fair. What is really problematic for me is self-id, because for every Nikki there will be 50 blokes using trans 'rights' to perv, cheat and bully/abuse women & girls. They have entirely different motives & issues.

UpfieldHatesWomen · 13/01/2020 22:31

However, with the combined followers of James Charles, Jeffrey Star and now Nikki, how many mega-influencers are “cis-women”, ie the vast majority people actually buying the products.
I think there's a lot of sexism involved when someone born male is praised for doing something that women do every day. Those mentioned are talented make-up artists, but they somehow get bonus points for being born male, and I can't see why that should be the case. Similarly, I remember when Strictly Come Dancing's Johannes did a routine in heels. He's a fantastic dancer and no problem with him wearing heels, but the way he was fawned over for doing what the women on the show do every single week was ridiculous. It's not Nikkie's fault, but they'll no doubt be heaped with praise now simply for being born male and being a make-up artist.

YeahLikeNoThough · 13/01/2020 22:22

However, with the combined followers of James Charles, Jeffrey Star and now Nikki, how many mega-influencers are “cis-women”, ie the vast majority people actually buying the products.

See, THIS I actually happen to think is a very valid point. Along with "how many of these mega-influencers are in their late thirties to fifties - i.e. at an age when a professional woman will actually have the income to waste insane amounts of cash on beauty products? (Well, I suppose Tati Westbrook might qualify - though I'm not sure she quite makes that league. Marlena Stell arguably used to but basically transitioned from being an influencer to becoming an entrepreneur early on.)

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NeurotrashWarrior · 13/01/2020 22:12

I do feel for this person but they've just said they've were "born in the wrong body" to a huge number of young people.

And "live your life with no restrictions"- well that's a green flag to invade any space you wish.

This person seems lovely and it's a shitty thing to happen to them but we have a new dollop of blurred boundaries and ideology dressed up as science plopped into pop culture.

Doyoumind · 13/01/2020 22:11

Nikkie has 12.5 million subscribers so is not insignificant. The makeup style is of a certain type but Nikkie is one of the few people who really shows themself completely makeup free at the start of videos and looks completely unrecognisable by the end. Certainly a great artist.

GlitterToast · 13/01/2020 22:11

If you watch the full video, it's clear that Nikki's mother has, shall we say, heavily-influenced Nikki's transition. Nikki says that her mother "knew" from pregnancy that Nikki was a girl, and that when Nikki was born, was still a girl despite her biology.

CuteOrangeElephant · 13/01/2020 22:08

I really liked Nikki when she was on the Dutch reality TV show Wie is de mol.

Its really sad that someone tried to out her.

HugsAreMyDrugs · 13/01/2020 22:06

Don't get me wrong, I like her. She seems pleasant enough. But I am amazed that people are surprised by this news.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/01/2020 22:05

For context, Nikki is one of the most popular make-up artists on YouTube.

Ah ok.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/01/2020 22:04

And that the bloody bbc has trotted out that poem that says "we are 7 years old..."

And Kirsty RT...

Gah.

TerribleCustomerCervix · 13/01/2020 22:04

Good luck to her.

I’ve always had a lot of time for her, she’s clearly very talented.

Says a lot about her that she kept it private as opposed to thinking that being trans can be used in absence of an interesting and engaging personality and trying to market it.

However, with the combined followers of James Charles, Jeffrey Star and now Nikki, how many mega-influencers are “cis-women”, ie the vast majority people actually buying the products.

GlitterToast · 13/01/2020 22:02

For context, Nikki is one of the most popular make-up artists on YouTube.

I've been watching her tutorials for years, and I am very shocked by this news. I honestly had no idea.

HugsAreMyDrugs · 13/01/2020 22:02

I'm honestly not trying to be harsh here but no shit sherlock...

YeahLikeNoThough · 13/01/2020 22:02

I'd never heard of this person, but they are obviously very into feminine stereotypes.

Not sure to what extent this is accurate:

Yes, granted, Nikkie does all the glam makeup and hair stuff and Instagram looks.

But: she's also a beauty icon despite really falling short of what is considered "conventionally attractive" for women: way too tall, far too big, round faced and blotchy skinned.

What I really, really like about Nikkie - despite her personal style being way too over the top for my own sense aestethics - is how upfront she has always been about what she looks like without all the gunk. Her Power of Makeup videos, in particular, expose the lies behind conventional beauty pretty spectacularly.

I've never felt that Nikkie thought "womanhood" depended on looking like an Instagram model, and have always seen her as someone who was radically blunt about what real women look like in everyday and just how far removed from reality that high glam look was - however much she might personally enjoy and financially benefit from managing to project it.

I actually really like Nikkie for this, despite lacking both the talent and the desire to achieve her looks.

Also, all trans politics aside: blackmailing people about personal matters is the hallmark of an irredemable arsehole.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/01/2020 22:00

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Nikkietutorials comes out as trans
NeurotrashWarrior · 13/01/2020 21:59

Never heard of them and fair enough.

What's annoyed me is that Kirsty blackman MP has just rt this trans poem which includes the line "we are 7 years old..."

Doyoumind · 13/01/2020 21:55

I don't think the thread belongs in this board either. I actually like Nikkie but it does explain the 6ft something height.

NotTerfNorCis · 13/01/2020 21:52

I'd never heard of this person, but they are obviously very into feminine stereotypes.

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Cocolapew · 13/01/2020 21:28

Trans issues are discussed on this board all the time, why would I have the wrong one?

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