Can anyone explain to me (related to TRA)...

police the choices gender non conforming children both overtly and subtly all the time.

This I find concerning, we seem to be going backwards on gender stereotypes. I was a tomboy, hated pink, but didn't seem to be a problem in the 80's because not all 'girls toys' were pink, and my parents didn't think there was anything odd about me preferring He-Man to Barbie.

I did have to wear dresses, which didn't go well with the tree climbing.

These days I wonder what direction I might have been pushed in.

Apologies if already mentioned - have only skimmed - but OP was asking for evidence of potentially gay children being steered instead towards being trans. Probably every single interview I've read with a parent about how they knew their child was trans contains shocking levels of sexism and homophobia. It is incredible that no attempt is made to disguise the homophobia, you'd think someone would say something. (Sexism seems fashionable again so less surprised). I don't have links but it's not hard to find these articles. Much of the media is enthralled with the idea of trans children.

Whilst outward homophobia is hopefully less socially acceptable these days, the world of children seems to have reverted to rather strict gender stereotyping. IME children, and some adults, police the choices gender non conforming children both overtly and subtly all the time. Whereas to become trans is to be celebrated (your school will buy in training which says just this) and also protected because nobody wants to be thought of as being transphobic.

This is not a criticism of you OP but I am getting increasingly frustrated (within my own gay friends circle) that don’t (can’t?) see it as anything other than homophobic.

Imagine if your daughter said to someone “I think I might be attracted to the same sex” and the response they got was:

“That’s only because you were born in the wrong body and your brain isn’t working properly. Before this gets out of hand, take puberty blockers to stop your growth, bind your breasts and call yourself a man and make everyone call you a man too. You’re not really a lesbian, but you will make a very fine man.

FYI you will have to sleep with women who have penises from time to time, because they have validations too”.

Google has a lot of 'unconscious' biases. For example, if you google "hands", look at the images it comes up with. Notice anything? They're predominantly white. It's not so long ago that they were all white, but this particular piece of bias was pointed out to them and it looks like they've attempted to counter it.

Ditto the GC/woke - these biases are not neccessarily deliberate, but reflect the biases of those who work on the algorithms.

Google algorithms seem to me to be biased away from GC perspectives and towards TRA.

I thought tech and particularly Google has a larger than population average of transwomen staff?

I could be mis-remembering something I’d read. Google won’t help me find the unbiased truth if I’m right tho Does anyone else know more?

Most people do, however. You'll find that believing TWAW in particular is very much a minority belief.

Agree.

And the reason why we don’t hear from more from these people is because they are threatened with punitive damages if they don’t tow the line.

It may seem that it’s a minority who don’t believe if your evidence is FWR - this is one of the few spaces left for open discussion.

"Some women have penises"

No "women" have penises

From that video

I accept that that’s your belief of it but just because you don’t accept that TWAW and TMAM it doesn’t mean that other people agree with you.

Most people do, however. You'll find that believing TWAW in particular is very much a minority belief.

Google algorithms seem to me to be biased away from GC perspectives and towards TRA.

Yes, it does appear so. It's been noted before, particularly when trying to google how many women are murdered, which returns pages and pages about TW.

One thing you've got to understand ThePeckOfPickledPeppersPeterPi is that in many cases the abuse of a woman by a transwoman will be recorded by the Police as abuse of a woman by a woman, and will be reported by the media as such. See for example:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-forces-let-rapists-record-their-gender-as-female-d7qtb7953 (sorry there's no access to the full article)

There are plenty of examples of this. The evidence base is being corrupted at a fundamental level.

As I think someone referred to above, here's a way to think about this.

If you have two transwomen in a sexual relationship with each other, both of whom have not had any gender reassignment treatment at all so are conventionally male-bodied, is their sexual relationship a lesbian relationship if they both identify as women?

Why not just keep that thought in your head

Why don't you keep your own thoughts in your head? Why doesn't anyone? Clarity is important. So is standing up when you believe something is wrong.

You're the one with the fringe belief, not me. Most people know what a woman is, and a lesbian.

I think Get The L Out were also the ones who did that big survey of lesbians... the one where they spoke to 60 people.

What like the PACE study the results of which are constantly quoted by transactivists as indicating that there is high suicide risk in "trans" children, which although a survey of 2000 odd people was based on a sample of 27 trans people?

terf When I hear gay trans man, if I go by the fact that words have meanings, I think this is a lesbian. However who knows?

I thought it was a straight female. My reasoning when I do word conversions while reading, allowing for gender / sex conflagration, and agreeing that TMAM.

Gay = male sex attracted to the male sex, or gender in this case
Trans man = a female at birth, but identifies as man and male

In this case a (trans) man attracted to males = gay trans man

So ‘gay male’ doesn’t really exist anymore to answer the OP.

But you’ll probably need to ask Humpty what words mean tomorrow. The evolution that allowed humans to communicate ideas is dead or at least dying.

ACat Language matters, unless you don’t think the law matters. What protects lesbian females or gay males or trans people if these terms have no definable or measurable meaning to apply a law to?
Law has to be unambiguous and behave a little like Douglas McGregors’ red-hot stove theory - immediate, with warning, consistent, and impersonal.

The very same type of children who were targeted by the Christian Right in America for conversion therapy - boys who don't act in traditionally masculine-presenting ways are now the same kids transitioned by parents who find it more palatable transitioning them than accepting them being gay. Homophobia is behind this, same kids different form of abuse.

I think Get The L Out were also the ones who did that big survey of lesbians... the one where they spoke to 60 people.

In fact the extent to which particularly lesbians have been under attack for not complying with the trans queer agenda that some lesbians started a group (campaign?) called Get the L Out

Julia Long's latest fringe group? The one that only got less than 40 people to a national march? Doesn't exactly speak of mass support. Keep trying to convince yourselves that most lesbians agree with you though. In the real world the overwhelming majority of lesbians and trans people get along just fine. If you actually got out from behind your keyboards rather than swallowing every bit of propaganda that's thrown your way you might realise it yourselves.

Can you codify a belief into law? Will you mandate that people can abracadabra themselves from one sex to the other & must be treated accordingly by all?
That children who fail to conform to sex role stereotypes are born in the wrong body and need to be put on drugs and have surgery to affirm their authentic self?
How will you punish the non believers?

I have though from the beginning that transitioning away the Gays and Lesbians and driving a tank through women's rights was the reason that transgender ideology was so promptly embraced by Western governments, In the name of equality, of course.

Once you notice transmen who grew up in religious households/communities (where being a lesbian is sinful) you’ll see it all the time...