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Spousal veto

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midgebabe · 11/01/2020 10:02

So I have read various transwidow and spousal veto threads but am still struggling to understand why (rationally, not emotively) I should support the continuation of the spousal veto as it is commonly called (spousal untangling period). I guess because what I see on those threads is so much mixed up with hurt and abuse.

I am starting the thread because if it isn’t clear to me then I suspect it would be difficult to make the case to others outside of the feminist community.

I have seen

It’s necessary for women who’s religion does not allow divorce…but that to me is a wider problem than just transition …what happens to those women in DV cases etc

No one should be forced into a lesbian marriage ..which seems homophobic , like what’s wrong with lesbian marriage. I guess I also struggle here because whilst the words have changed once the legal process has completed, the person hasn’t

If we take out abuse, people changing beyond recognition, someone using the transition as a way to bully/taunt the other person, why should one legal process be dependent on the other?

Or is it rarely possible to take abuse out of this? Even if people may not be totally happy, there are cases where people have stayed together "in sickness and in health" , and their lack of joy may be related to viewing this as a health problem rather than an indication of abuse?

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Feminazgul · 11/01/2020 10:35

Like what’s wrong with lesbian marriage

Nothing, if you are a lesbian.

Imnobody4 · 11/01/2020 10:35

midgebabe You just had to bring race into it didn't you.

testing987654321 · 11/01/2020 10:35

I suggest you read some of the trans widows threads. If you are not happy with your husband "becoming a woman" it's extremely distressing to have your whole relationship rewritten by your husband.

LangCleg · 11/01/2020 10:34

It's homophobic to refuse to pretend to be homosexual?

I think you have that the wrong way around, my friend.

OneEpisode · 11/01/2020 10:26

And the GRC process means backdating everything, so showing that the couple entered into their marriage or civil partnership with their post GRC names and genders. A lesbian might not want to have to divorce a legal man she would never have chosen to marry/partner.

midgebabe · 11/01/2020 10:25

The words are irrelevent because the meaning of lesbian etc is changed once you allow them to be based on gender identity not sex

Is there no argument for the veto that does not rely on the homosexuality aspect?

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Deliriumoftheendless · 11/01/2020 10:19

What if a person in a gay marriage transitions? Does it still apply? Would the other spouse have to define themselves as heterosexual?

midgebabe · 11/01/2020 10:15

lesbian doesn't even mean lesbian , the persons biology has not changed .

But that aside it still comes across to me that the person thinks there something fundamentally wrong with a lesbian marriage that you would consider that you would only be doing that if forced . It's the fact that it's not the person you are being forced to marry, its the lesbian aspect that is a problem

Would you say if someone says "I will never marry an Indian" that there might be an element of racism in there?

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/01/2020 10:12

Wait. You're saying that if the person you marry legally changes sex, does or does not get surgery, changes name and appearance and, to all intents and purposes is now a woman that their wife MUST accept all of that, refer to herself as a lesbian and quietly sit down and shut the duck up?

The veto should be there so the trans person has an adult discussion with their partner and they sort out their future without any coersion

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 11/01/2020 10:05

No one should be forced into a lesbian marriage ..which seems homophobic , like what’s wrong with lesbian marriage.

I think you are dilibrately missing the "forced" aspect here.

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