Spousal veto

I agree with LangCleg.

Does she genuinely think that requiring a GRC, say, for prisoners, means they've all had the op?

When she said that we couldn't expect anyone to show that they're living as the opposite sex because that's all about stereotypes, it wasn't clear if that's because she thinks everyone who claims to be transgender has had, or intends to have, surgery, or if she thinks that being a woman is a feeling rather than a biological fact.

I agree she doesn't know. Why would she want to expose her ignorance otherwise.

Honest to God, publicly spouting off about how awful it is, and confidently stating how you had a hand in the whole transgender equalities report, when you understand fuck all about it.

It's such a profound misunderstanding it beggars belief. It's not a minute detail, it's the entire issue. Nothing happens to the husband. He can even get an interim certificate. And have as much body modification as he likes.

Does she genuinely think that requiring a GRC, say, for prisoners, means they've all had the op? How does she account for the report on Karen White being all about 'her erect penis'?

Breathtaking.

I think she doesnt know. I think her understanding of most issues is paper thin. Its astounding that she could be leader of the labour party. What has labour become?

It equates the wives of late transitioning men with abusive men who deny their partners reproductive agency.

Not only that - if that weren't bad enough - but it shows that she either doesn't know or is so arrogant she assumes a transwidow doesn't know that the spousal veto has no effect on what medical treatment a transitioning spouse does or does not have.

Is that quoted post above something JP said ?

It's shocking. It equates the wives of late transitioning men with abusive men who deny their partners reproductive agency.

Whoever said it, I can't believe I just read it.

She is determined not to get it TinselAngel, and it is striking that she's not even attempting to look at it from the wife's perspective.

Oh I missed this off my last post:

For completeness, here's Jess's answer to my question (which Empress kindly allowed to be substituted for hers).

There's a thread in chat asking mumsnet to allow a discussion of gender issues with Jess Phillips. Please post on there if you support this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3797980-Who-else-would-really-appreciate-a-polite-discussion-of-gender-issues-and-the-concerns-of-women-at-the-jess-Philips-webchat-on-Monday

Whether she allows shoes in her house perhaps? Or is that shoephobic?

We'd probably be safe asking her favourite biscuit

Nah, even biscuits are contentious these days. At least on here where the special rules apply anyway...

*reluctant

Shame on MN for deleting a question on the spousal 'veto' from a woman affected.

Gross misogyny.

If politicians are relucating to come on MN and answer questions about women's rights, shame on them.

ZERO shame attached to Tinsel.

Who is in charge of the decision to ban perfectly valid questions by women about spousal rights?

Have these questions just been banned by Mumsnet? Or is this a contractual obligation placed on Mumsnet, by the person in question, that they must not be questioned on "awkward things" that just happen to be important to women. And the fact that that they are currently advocating removing rights from women??

How often does she wash her towels/ change her bed?

Does she have a toilet brush?

That's the one!!!!

Asking a politician about a policy they've just announced as part of their leadership campaign is 'haranguing'?
Give me strength.

harangue [ huh-rang ]

noun
a scolding or a long or intense verbal attack; diatribe.

Nice to know what they think of us

And it sounds like the 'single issue' is anything about trans issues... Thus closing down discussion of a wide range of women's concerns. What a cop-out. Plus your question Tinsel was very concise and civil...

harangued about this single issue

It is not one thing.

(Thanks for your support all x)

fears they'll simply be harangued about this single issue

That's because "this single issue" matters to a lot of mothers. And it's not going to stop mattering just because politicians and others want to ignore it.

"Secondly we're finding it increasingly hard to tempt politicians onto Mumsnet because of fears they'll simply be harangued about this single issue and shouted at for not providing the desired response"

Crikey. Don't know where to start with what's wrong with that.