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M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers

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Sunkisses · 10/01/2020 10:26

It's all over the news that M&S and John Lewis have had terrible Christmas sales. I am absolutely sure this is due to the terrible press coverage they received and viral threads of Twitter about how they allow men into the female changing rooms, the contempt they treated their female customers with when we voiced our complaints, and the 1,000s of us who pledged not to shop with them over Christmas. I stuck by my pledge over Christmas and they lost about £1,000 of custom from me with gifts and food. Anyone else kept up their boycott?

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Ninkanink · 13/01/2020 21:08

Of course they’re aware. They’re also acutely aware that many women do not want to share their intimate and private spaces with any man that ‘feels more comfortable there’ (including in the bra fitting service and related areas where elderly, minor and vulnerable females are being helped with bras and underwear). They don’t care.

TimeLady · 13/01/2020 21:02

I wonder if the staff and management are aware of those knicker reviews left by males on their website?

Might it be worth printing a hard copy and taking them into the stores so they have evidence of a specific (and easily solvable) problem to discuss at their meetings?

StandUpStraight · 13/01/2020 21:02

I haven’t shopped in M&S or JL for a couple of months now. Don’t care if there’s no direct correlation between my actions and their results (though I used to do all my grocery shopping at Waitrose which added up to a fair bit over the years. I did receive JL vouchers for Christmas. They will get used for something, but my daughter needs a proper bra fitting and I am sure as hell not taking her to JL or even buying their lingerie on line. I will go to the little local shop instead, where she’ll probably get a more expert fitting, even if it’s more expensive. Would not touch M&S underwear with an actual barge pole these days.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 13/01/2020 21:00

I suspect they wont dare defy Stonewall

Sadly I think this is true.

Needmoresleep · 13/01/2020 20:50

I suspect they wont dare defy Stonewall. No matter what the impact is on sales. Until Stonewall is properly outed as misogynistic organisation that it is. Menz will come first.

Datun · 13/01/2020 20:43

You’ve got to ask how we’ve got from ‘I want to be offered smart, stylish, contemporary, right materials, right price’ to ‘can I have something that hasn’t been jizzed on?’

This is exactly where we are.

Can Marks & Spencers guarantee a spunk free knicker or not???

PurpleCrowbar · 13/01/2020 20:39

Happy to update, if I hear anything, but cousin is understandably circling the wagons at this point.

Her career is with the company and they've been very good to her, to be fair.

She just wants this to all go away (& doesn't want to examine it.

RedToothBrush · 13/01/2020 20:23

If that genuinely is true, it'd be an excellent time for there to be a fresh campaign of concerned customers asking staff whether what they'd heard about men being allowed in the women's changing rooms was true.

Just a little extra push...

Uncompromisingwoman · 13/01/2020 20:23

Interesting and actually quite reassuring PurpleCrowbar
We know that there is no demand for this from women - or most men. It has been really disconcerting to think that people working for M & S have suddenly abandoned everything that they know in favour of removing women's rights to privacy and dignity (not to mention safety).
But it's what's happening everywhere - organisations who actively campaign against women's rights and child safety are being given an excessive influence because people think they're being woke and kind. No due diligence or looking at the reality of some of those behind these organisations

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 20:13

Very interesting.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 13/01/2020 20:12

Ooh interesting stuff purple, keep us updated!

PurpleCrowbar · 13/01/2020 20:07

OP, conversation went a bit like this:

Cousin who is long term M&S manager mostly on Food Hall: apparently feminists are boycotting us! FFS! Can you imagine! Purple, you're one of those bolshy types, do you know anything about this?

Me:

Cousin: That's ridiculous. As if! Purple, what are you smoking these days?

Me: alrighty. Ask your colleagues in ladies' wear.

Cousin: OMG, I thought you were winding me up. I've talked to them & wow, they are NOT happy. This isn't actually happening in my regional store though & obviously it's a bonkers London thing.

Me: I think you'll find it's national policy. Although NOT where I live overseas, interestingly.

Cousin: ah...yes, this is now suddenly massive & everyone is losing their shit about it Confused. Do you still want those short dated turkey crowns?

Cousin is of the opinion that things would have been better left under the radar (apparently the occasional bloke trying on bras has been indulged forever), but now it's all anyone ever talks about in M&S meetings, with the direction of thinking being overwhelmingly that this is an AWFUL idea.

M&S managers know their customers, & how they'll feel about men trying on pants in the cubicles beside them.

Cousin says it's a mighty clusterfuck, based on rumours she hears emanating from higher up, with several stores flat out refusing to comply.

We'll see....

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 13/01/2020 19:59

wow.

actually gobsmacked

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 19:48

Totally ugh, that was from a 5 minute pootle around the pants section. I’m sure there’s plenty more.

Datun · 13/01/2020 19:38

Sexnotgender

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 13/01/2020 18:58

Envy not envy.

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 18:53

Just no 🤢

M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers
M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers
M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers
Dangerfloof · 13/01/2020 16:04

You’ve got to ask how we’ve got from ‘I want to be offered smart stylish, contemporary, right materials, right price’ to ‘can I have something that hasn’t been jizzed on?’
That made me laugh.
I've been wondering just how long it's been going on? From time immemorial or just a few years ago?
I dont actually want to know, and although it makes me feel very sick, I'm glad I know now. But it really is beyond disgusting. Also to know theres probably a few men reading these comments and elated with themselves and the result they got.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 13/01/2020 15:54

it would be easy to not approve them so it must be a conscious decision.

I can confirm they personally approve or refuse reviews. I am 2 approved, 1 refused so far. You get notified if they are approved.

theflushedzebra · 13/01/2020 15:24

I think I would settle for knickers that definitely haven't been wanked on.

Quite. Over to you, M&S.

JolyonsChickensAreBigots · 13/01/2020 14:52

I just don't understand what they are thinking with allowing all those male reviews of women's lingerie, it would be easy to not approve them so it must be a conscious decision.

AllTheProsecco · 13/01/2020 14:20

I've been emailed about doing a sparks customer survey for M&S today. Here's the link if anyone else would like to do it...

sparks.inmoment.com/websurvey/2/execute#!/1

EmpressLesbianInChair · 13/01/2020 13:55

Fucking hell. I’ve just looked at the M&S knicker pages & a quarter of the reviews I read were from men too.

Well, if that’s the market they’re going for. But ick.

PracticallyFamous · 13/01/2020 13:51

I just had a quick look at the M&S lingerie page. Clicked on a pair of knickers at random - lacy Brazilian style. Five out of the six reviews were from men.

Oh M&S, what the fuck have you done?

Nappyvalley15 · 13/01/2020 13:16

They also need to do something about the lingerie reviews on their website. Some of the ones I saw yesterday were really gross and would prevent any sane woman from buying that particular item of lingerie.

They need to relist lingerie back under women's wear too. Having it separate is sending the wrong signals.