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M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers

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Sunkisses · 10/01/2020 10:26

It's all over the news that M&S and John Lewis have had terrible Christmas sales. I am absolutely sure this is due to the terrible press coverage they received and viral threads of Twitter about how they allow men into the female changing rooms, the contempt they treated their female customers with when we voiced our complaints, and the 1,000s of us who pledged not to shop with them over Christmas. I stuck by my pledge over Christmas and they lost about £1,000 of custom from me with gifts and food. Anyone else kept up their boycott?

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boatyardblues · 13/01/2020 23:59

I have actually worn some M&S men's briefs in an amergency and they were quite comfy.

I bought some men’s jersey boxers years ago to see if they were more comfy under long summer skirts. My verdict: too draughty without any discernible benefits on the chafing front. Thankfully cycling shorts came back into fashion in the meantime, so there hasn’t been a repeat. It’s a good job it was 20 years ago, because that youthful experimentation would probably bring me under the big umbrella these days.

Findumdum1 · 13/01/2020 23:07

OMG! I only get the choice of the 2 bog standard boring genders when leaving my review. WTF M&S!!!

Januarydontbecool · 13/01/2020 23:07

When I look at the M&S knicker reviews on my tablet they appear at the side of the screen and no longer say whether the poster is male or female. When I look at “Home” ones, eg for duvet covers, the reviews cover the whole width of the screen and still give the gender. I’ve tried this several times, going back and forth between departments, with the same result.

I’ve just checked on the desktop - the gender is given for everything I looked at there.

Findumdum1 · 13/01/2020 23:00

I know we'll ultimately be cancelled but you lot are really making me laugh:

I don't know what to say. Apart from I am never buying pants in M+S again.
Some of the men call them ' panties'....puke

I've just signed up to M&S as a gender fluid, non binary woman so I can leave a review in the men's pants section - let's see if this is a reciprocal agreement. I note that I was triggerred by the fact that the only woke pronoun available to me was Mx - no Zie, Hir, they or Zxk [OUTRAGE] [OUTRAGE] [M&S is CANCELLED]. I have actually worn some M&S men's briefs in an amergency and they were quite comfy.

HorseWithNoTimeForThis · 13/01/2020 22:48

The usual suspects not here defending the rights of those who would enjoy a bit of M&S?

A bridge too far even for them?

theflushedzebra · 13/01/2020 22:31

I believe that if they were labelled "men's" silky, lacy underwear - they would no longer appeal to the cross-dressers... well, I guess it wouldn't be "cross-dressing" at all.

I would like to see this happen, actually. Put it to the test.

RedToothBrush · 13/01/2020 22:05

If M & S did a silky knicker range especially for men, in the men's section and labelled as for me, do you think it would be as popular?

No other changes to the underwear just where it was located and how it was labelled.

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 22:01

Totally agree.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 13/01/2020 22:00

my main objection is not people discretely indulging their fetish by the way, it's them trying to involve me by leaving fucking reviews in the hope people will read them

do whatever roasts your chestnuts but don't involve me please

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 21:59

I know that. Mentioning it will get you banned and the thread pulled though. We’re not allowed to speak the truth.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 13/01/2020 21:58

men wearing womens pants is a fetish. it just bloody is!

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 21:58

One of the reviews above even says it’s not a perversion!!

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 21:57

Nooooo, you can’t use the F word😱

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 13/01/2020 21:56

isn't it weird that more men than women seem to be leaving reviews? it's almost like telling people about wearing women's knicks is part of the fetish.....

RedToothBrush · 13/01/2020 21:56

The funny bit is that men appear to be buying 'women's knickers' that only other men are buying...

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 21:55

Interesting a lot of the male reviews get a large number of thumbs up, the women’s reviews get virtually none.

M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers
M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers
M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers
EndoplasmicReticulum · 13/01/2020 21:55

Those reviews! I don't know what to say. Apart from I am never buying pants in M+S again.

Ihatesundays · 13/01/2020 21:51

It’s not a good business model as well. I’m sure women need to buy more knickers to actually wear than men need to wank into.

Michelleoftheresistance · 13/01/2020 21:49

Those reviews.

M&S, proudly putting blokes in silky panties! (and HQ before you eat me, the people posting these reviews are very clear they identify as men, and men who like wearing women's underwear.)

Meanwhile female people cringe and get as far away as possible, because even thinking about buying pants some bloke is getting off on wearing - or worse wanking in and putting back on the rack, and leaving wet spots on the changing room floor as they happily discuss on twitter - is just too revolting to contemplate.

Go the whole hog M&S. Add a porno DVD floor and some whips, chains, dildoes. I'm sure it'll make some customers feel more comfortable.

Very few of them will be female, but whatever, you've picked your market.

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 21:49

I reported some of them. I can’t use the word I used here or I’d be banned probably 😏

WhatinthenameofHalloween · 13/01/2020 21:31

After clicking the review links above, it seems you can report the reviews as inappropriate. Has anyone done this? Should we start doing it en masse? How could it be worded?

Oliphantitus · 13/01/2020 21:25

Redtoothbrush !! Those links...gag. That's m and s off my knickers list. Some of the men call them ' panties'....puke

RedToothBrush · 13/01/2020 21:16

It does make you wonder if M & S are actively designing for a male market and a female market.

DuMondeB · 13/01/2020 21:13

Yep. I will never consider ‘tanga’ styles after what I’ve learned via the M&S website.

RedToothBrush · 13/01/2020 21:11

First pair I looked at. Six reviews. 5 from men, 1 from a woman who bought for her granddaughter.
www.marksandspencer.com/animal-print-brazilian-knickers/p/clp60370515?color=SHERWOOD

17 reviews. 9 from men
www.marksandspencer.com/lace-tanga-brazilian-knickers-with-silk-sides/p/clp60267527?color=SOFTLIME#intid=prodColourId-60290511

As it goes its not hard to work out which pants are more popular with male customers compared to female customers. It's almost as if some are being designed for the male market rather than female, given how pronounced the difference in the male to female review ratio is between certain styles.