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M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers

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Sunkisses · 10/01/2020 10:26

It's all over the news that M&S and John Lewis have had terrible Christmas sales. I am absolutely sure this is due to the terrible press coverage they received and viral threads of Twitter about how they allow men into the female changing rooms, the contempt they treated their female customers with when we voiced our complaints, and the 1,000s of us who pledged not to shop with them over Christmas. I stuck by my pledge over Christmas and they lost about £1,000 of custom from me with gifts and food. Anyone else kept up their boycott?

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PracticallyFamous · 14/01/2020 20:55

Was that the woman who entered the toilets and left and the transwoman in question then posed in said office toilets with a fencing epée (a sword, for anyone not familiar with fencing terms) wrapped in the trans flag colours? Or is that a different one?

Sexnotgender · 14/01/2020 19:59

Was there not some woman reported to HR for actually entering then leaving a toilet allegedly because a trans person was in there first?

Yes there was, the transwoman was very upset because the woman wouldn’t play along and share the toilet with them.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 14/01/2020 19:43

Yes, I remember that. And in one of the universities, there were complaints because the new mixed-sex toilets was going to have bigger walls between the cubicles than the women’s toilets & the TRAs saw this as an insult.

Dangerfloof · 14/01/2020 19:19

I couldn’t care less and still shopped and will shop in M&S and John Lewis
If you dont mind wanked on underwear, then you do you eh!

The next logical step for those who require the presence of uncomfortable women to be happy, is to have a massed tantrum that women have largely stopped using toilets and changing rooms in public areas, work places, everywhere really.

Hasn't this already started? Was there not some woman reported to HR for actually entering then leaving a toilet allegedly because a trans person was in there first? In the city?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 14/01/2020 18:57

so all joking aside, it must be appropriate on a feminist forum to note that making women uncomfortable is one way a depressingly large number of men get their jollies

implies inadequacy in other areas of their lives, no?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 14/01/2020 18:55

but the people buying women's M&S knicks and leaving reviews as 'males' are men, men menly men men

they've said so themselves

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 14/01/2020 18:35

shush 🤫 BernardBlacksWineIceLolly You’re not allowed to call them men. That’s why I use TRA. I’ve already had my wrist slapped for being naughty. 😁

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 14/01/2020 18:31

Even when TRAs 'win' and gain access to womens spaces

it's not TRAs. It's men (usual namalt rules apply). (some) men's sexuality is weird and destructive and gets off on making women uncomfortable. It explains a lot of things when you realise that Smile

Michelleoftheresistance · 14/01/2020 18:11

The next logical step for those who require the presence of uncomfortable women to be happy, is to have a massed tantrum that women have largely stopped using toilets and changing rooms in public areas, work places, everywhere really....

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 14/01/2020 18:05

Even when TRAs 'win' and gain access to womens spaces, that's not good enough for them. They still need to make women using those spaces uncomfortable.

When the TRAs outnumber the females in the women’s changing rooms, they’re going to need something else. What, I wonder, will be next? Will they demand that the female staff help them get dressed, because they are too delicate and clumsy to dress themselves?

WomanBornNotWorn · 14/01/2020 17:10

Pantiewank.

There.

I have invented a word and I am going to use it.

Feminazgul · 14/01/2020 15:59

Even when TRAs 'win' and gain access to womens spaces, that's not good enough for them. They still need to make women using those spaces uncomfortable.

And the silence is deafening from the supporters...

Needmoresleep · 14/01/2020 15:44

Surely everyone has a store or business that they won't return to, and good reasons for the choice. My boycott of Lloyds Pharmacy has lasted 21 years. (Waves!)

What I find very odd are posters who tell us off because we exercise individual choice, as if we are not entitled to make our own decisions. If I were a TW and wanting to use women's changing rooms, I would be as discreet as possible and very aware of upset I might cause to, say, the older generation. Instead new posters keep criticising us for putting pressure on M&S. And not calling out exhibitionists who clearly enjoy bringing attention to themselves in changing rooms and on the website.

And guess who M&S listen to.....

Michelleoftheresistance · 14/01/2020 15:42

I couldn’t care less and still shopped and will shop in M&S and John Lewis

If you're cool with buying wanked-on knickers and undressing next to random blokes wanking in the next cubicle you crack on love Smile

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 14/01/2020 15:35

I couldn’t care less and still shopped and will shop in M&S and John Lewis

No ones forcing you to care about women being told they have to accept sharing with men and no one is telling you that you have to stop shopping there. That’s the difference between GC women and the TRAs. We may not agree with your choices, but we’re not going to bully you into changing your mind. Your conscience is your own business.

Needmoresleep · 14/01/2020 15:30

Yes, and many people will. However some won't. Individual decisions based on something within M&S' control.

misspiggy19 · 14/01/2020 15:04

I couldn’t care less and still shopped and will shop in M&S and John Lewis

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 14/01/2020 14:59

If you went to a cafe and the owner and other customers were rude and said they didn't want your type there, would you insist on staying and buying lunch from them anyway; or would you go to another place where you were welcomed with a friendly hello and given equally nice tea and cake?

HorseWithNoTimeForThis · 14/01/2020 14:18

Nice one, Danger!

Dangerfloof · 14/01/2020 11:57

Gah not just any boycott, but an m and s boycott

Dangerfloof · 14/01/2020 11:57

Every little helps

Or this is a m and s boycott.
Unless we're all boycotting tesco too, probably can do that without much bother, but here's hoping Asda dont go the same route or I really will be underwear less.

Orangecake123 · 14/01/2020 11:43

Well done everyone! I'm proud of everyone who thinks this is actually something to worry our pretty little heads over.

I managed not to buy anything from this Christmas.

I regularly bought their cakes and honestly would have given food items as gifts this year too in particular their Scottish shortbread tins. I found another family company in Scotland.

I also told my mother and sisters who won't be shopping their either.

Every little helps. Wink

PracticallyFamous · 14/01/2020 09:07

I wonder how they're handling the stores that just straight up refuse to comply with the policy. Personally, I'd like them to publish a list

Except said stores would be pounced on and decried as "transphobic" (which means "cares about women", btw. Hey, if they can Humpty Dumpty words then so can I).

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 14/01/2020 03:31

Cousin says it's a mighty clusterfuck, based on rumours she hears emanating from higher up, with several stores flat out refusing to comply.

I wonder how they're handling the stores that just straight up refuse to comply with the policy. Personally, I'd like them to publish a list so everyone who wants non wanked on pants that they can try on in a changing room without someone wanking next door knows which stores to support.

Findumdum1 · 14/01/2020 00:03

My review is live in the men's pants section as a Female :)

Although the relevant section is actually called "Underwear" for them wheras we get "Knickers" and our own section. We also get "Sexy Lingerie" which the poor blokes don't - "Thermal Underwear" is as risque as they get.

What's the betting that someone high up as M&S is a cross dresser or transwoman or whatever they are now.