M&S + John Lewis - your poor Christmas sales will be due to the contempt you've shown your female customers

Many posters here are saying that even if policies are changed they won't be back. I'm not sure what incentive shops have to change their policies on trans customers then really
Its probably because we all found alternatives already. We would none of us have looked without this impetus. So they can only blame themselves. So my pipers farm Christmas meat was fabulous quality and not much more cost. My presents came from typo and bookishly and Cox and Cox and with various promos and codes came to similar amounts. All without the hassle of leaving my house.
Also just when will they openly, publicly, widely state their position on any body in any area?

Many posters here are saying that even if policies are changed they won't be back.

I'd be back like a shot. Unlike many on the thread I am not dismissive of the quality of lots of M&S stuff and there were things I got there that I haven't found elsewhere, or have only found imperfect substitutes. This has been a difficult boycott for me because I used M&S weekly for food and regularly for knickers, tights and vest tops...but I'm sticking with it for as long as M&S are happy to allow men into women's changing rooms, because women's rights are important to me.

They will need to adapt their policy at some point because if they don’t they will keep losing their loyal customer base.

First rule of retail, don’t alienate your core customer base! Once you’ve lost them, you’ll have to work ten times harder to get them back.

In the real world, most women do not want men present in their private, intimate spaces. Go woke, go broke. Quite literally. Women hold the household spending power in the vast majority of cases.

’Truscum’ are the old-school transsexuals who are well aware that they are, and always will be, male.

Such nasty language, isn’t it.

Many posters here are saying that even if policies are changed they won't be back. I'm not sure what incentive shops have to change their policies on trans customers then really...

I don't know that most of them are doing it out of pettiness though. By having to look elsewhere they found businesses that provide better products, or which are truly local, etc. So why would they go back?

That's the danger of making a really unpopular policy like this. Though I doubt they realised how strongly people would feel. My sense is that a number of businesses have really misread the public feeling on certain questions. Or they have made decisions after being told that they were obligated to or soon would be.

I forget who the scum are now? Is that us? The middle aged women of Mumsnet? Or is that the transexuals who know they are still male? Who are the truscum again?

I'm on a very low income but shop at local independents - just not posh ones. We found a butcher, a farm-shop, a yarn-shop, a sewing-shop, a hard-ware shop, a greengrocer, etc that are all run by working class people, some men, some women, some families. And all cheaper for what you get than supermakets. We have a market and the stalls sell all sorts of interesting and inexpensive things. Plus we found an Asian supermarket which is run on a small-scale and seems to be a family-run business. And all these places seem to be run by really lovely people that we can chat with and that do all sorts of things in our community. We go to Aldi for basic cupboard stuffs.
I'm never going to spend enough to keep anyone in business or put them out but it works for me. It makes shopping enjoyable and I'm happy that my money goes where it goes.

Many posters here are saying that even if policies are changed they won't be back. I'm not sure what incentive shops have to change their policies on trans customers then really...

We boycotted M&S and JL, and will continue to do so until they respect females.
They lost hundreds of pounds from us over xmas alone - loads of things I would normally buy from them, I bought elsewhere. ALL our household stuff normally came from them - now we need new towels and blender, for example, and we'll buy them elsewhere. Bras and underwear all came from there, loads of clothing, footwear, etc for decades - now, elsewhere.

So a bunch of TRAs decided to invade the womens changing rooms at M&S.

Changing rooms that they had already been given access to use freely. So why the need to invade them?

It's a puzzle...

Oh. Asda sell jam to women and so are hateful bigots?

Gotcha.

Scum.

Why is Asda on terfblocker?

I think it was when the TRAs (mostly male bodied people and woke youngsters) decided to “go after” any of the companies that deal with Mumsnet (the site made up of mostly women who makes the majority of shopping decisions). I’m sure Asda are devastated. 😁

Same for me - as I said, I live right next to one of their shops so I did most of my incidental spending on clothing/homeware/some foods/gifts with them. It was very hard at first over birthdays and Christmas as it was my go-to but actually, I’ve not missed it at all and I probably won’t go back even if they do come to their senses at some point. Too little, too late.

I must admit, I thought it would be harder to boycott M&S than it has turned out to be. My default shop for underwear, basic t-shirts, trousers etc. Quite a lot of food too.

I had already started to wean myself off the Food Hall because of the overpackaging (whatever happened to 'Plan A. because there is no Plan B.', M&S?) but still bought loose fruit & veg, cheese etc. That's gone now too, M&S's loss is Sainsbury's gain. Clothing, I don't buy loads, but I needed a new winter jacket and had liked one in M&S, but fuck 'em, splashed £140 with Seasalt instead. I now need slippers, have bought from M&S for years - fuck 'em, there's loads in the smaller shops in our High Street, I'll buy elsewhere. Bras are going to be tricky, the Rosie range fitted me well, and Bravissimo was my second choice but again - fuck 'em, I'll find somewhere else to spend my money.

It's actually not been too difficult. It's been a surprise really. The quality drop-off of recent years means anywhere I've used instead so far has been at least as good and often better. I won't be back. I'm building up new loyalties to new-to-me shops.

Why is Asda on terfblocker?

God knows. There's no rhyme or reason to this insanity.

Another one who abandoned M&S before Christmas for their anti women policies. Have discovered a great local butcher and farm shop as a result and am happy with that money going to local businesses.

Clothes.... no idea where I'll be shopping now since M&S would have always been my first choice, but I won't be returning there or spending money anywhere else with these anti women beliefs.

"Nothing you do makes any difference" turns into "you, personally, are putting shops out of business" so easily when the first tactic isn't working.

Oh no you don't! It was the management decision to engender women's safety and utterly disregard their privacy and dignity that put that train in motion.

M&S started their own downfall/risk to jobs. We're just reacting to being told we're not welcome. Stop being so weaselly.

Why is Asda on terfblocker?

"Nothing you do makes any difference" turns into "you, personally, are putting shops out of business" so easily when the first tactic isn't working.

Doesn't it?

Pervy Pigs - perfect

To the poster upthread who mentioned tights, try Asda. Bonus points as the store is on Terfblocker, so I support them and their terfery even more.

Pervy Pigs.

Ideal.

probably aren't buying anything more than a packet of Pervy Pigs.

I have just RTFT and am amazed nobody picked up on this

I propose "Pervy Pigs" as the new name for the dodgy blokes who want to get into women's facilities. Especially at M&S.

(BTW, has anyone sent this thread to Steve Rowe and his fellow bunch of largely pale, male and stales?)

Just had another Sparks email from M&S, finally got around to Unsubscribing rather than just delete it. They asked why, and gave me a text box .

I think if they really believe in being inclusive and that TWAW they should have Kelly Malone or Eddie Izzard modeling some bras and knickers on their website snd in their magazines. Why wouldn’t they? Don’t just talk the talk - walk the walk

Been boycotting for around a year now - since this first reared it's head and I was basically told to f off by their chat bot, and that they weren't going to change their policy.
My bras are quite nasty and old now. Keep trying different supermarkets. I won't give in.